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Dear "All",
If we are hoping for this thread to remain active, I think its important we minimise calls to lobby against other groups.
This space must continue to be open to everyone, all views for and against the issues concerned. This is a Government portal and we must respect that.
We can continue to post our "homework" and articles on this thread. All the information has been very helpful and we really appreciate the hard work put in by everybody. We can give information on how and where to write to the Government about what is close to our hearts.
However, calls for lobbying against activist with opposing views can be done on the new "home" set up by "P" rather than here. Tread wisely.
A new "home" has been set up through "P"
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
you can send emails to
Email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
(see Silent Majority, "P" and other postings here on this new "home").
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Silent Majority - 20 Jun 09 , 10:25 AM
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Too true, LEE,
Let me remind all concerned that the NMP issue is VERY relevant to our 'concerns on sexuality issues" & alternative lifestyles being imposed by the activists and their fundies.
ST and other media will not publish our comments.
You get a nominee Loretta Chen in, who has stated her stance, then, we are in trouble.
She even went so far as to join the PAP Youth wing to connect and lay the foundation, with those in power or our future leaders.
BE INFORMED! BE NOISY! STAY ON COURSE & UNITED!
Regards
Too true, LEE,
Let me remind all concerned that the NMP issue is VERY relevant to our 'concerns on sexuality issues" & alternative lifestyles being imposed by the activists and their fundies.
ST and other media will not publish our comments.
You get a nominee Loretta Chen in, who has stated her stance, then, we are in trouble.
She even went so far as to join the PAP Youth wing to connect and lay the foundation, with those in power or our future leaders.
BE INFORMED! BE NOISY! STAY ON COURSE & UNITED!
Regards
LEE - 20 Jun 09 , 10:17 AM
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Many of our "participants" may be away because its the school holidays. Thats why I was concerned they may not return in time to catch the new postings. If only Reach would take this into consideration before archiving thread so soon.
There is still so much active contributions on this thread and I hope they will reconsider.
(See my appeal letter and follow suit)
Many of our "participants" may be away because its the school holidays. Thats why I was concerned they may not return in time to catch the new postings. If only Reach would take this into consideration before archiving thread so soon.
There is still so much active contributions on this thread and I hope they will reconsider.
(See my appeal letter and follow suit)
LEE - 20 Jun 09 , 10:13 AM
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Dear "Too Concerned to Remain Silent"
Thank you for taking the time to share the important information from Mike Haley's book with us on this thread.
May I suggest :
1) Share your information on the Sexuality Programme thread as well
2) Is Mike Haley's book available in our local bookstores? It should be sent to MOE, MM, PM and The Cabinet. We should also buy a copy for reference.
Information on The Cabinet appointments are can be read on
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/AboutTheCabinet/index.htm
3)Important to send your feedback here to "The Cabinet" through Reach and other ministers and MPs.
Also please read my appeal letter to Ms Khor to keep this thread and the one of Sexuality Programme alive. Hope you will write in as well.
Thanks
Dear "Too Concerned to Remain Silent"
Thank you for taking the time to share the important information from Mike Haley's book with us on this thread.
May I suggest :
1) Share your information on the Sexuality Programme thread as well
2) Is Mike Haley's book available in our local bookstores? It should be sent to MOE, MM, PM and The Cabinet. We should also buy a copy for reference.
Information on The Cabinet appointments are can be read on
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/AboutTheCabinet/index.htm
3)Important to send your feedback here to "The Cabinet" through Reach and other ministers and MPs.
Also please read my appeal letter to Ms Khor to keep this thread and the one of Sexuality Programme alive. Hope you will write in as well.
Thanks
Silent Majority - 20 Jun 09 , 10:08 AM
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Dear All,
Before the thread is taken down, know 5 things:-
1) We have our own Blog at website by "P" at
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
You can put in your comments regarding each article.
You may want to scroll down this thread to:
“P” dated 19 Jun 09 , 11:42 AM
REVISED STEPS to put in your comments after anArticle in the blog.
2) You can send any material to "P" at email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
for "P" to put up on the website for all to see. Try to use a new email to maintain security for now as we may have a wolf in sheep's clothing, as we do not know each other physically. You may want to scroll down this thread to retrieve “P” dated 19 Jun 09, 12:17 PM
3) Write to all the Ministers & MPs on :
a) the Arts NMP nominees (Very important so keep it a Priority)
b) the ST media coverage biasedness
c) the new CSE discoveries by "Concerned to be...." regarding SPPA
4) Can all of you spread the word and keep alive our new "Blog" by "P".
We need this space to stay together & united as we are in for the long haul as some of
you already mentioned earlier .
Only saw LEE & Josh Roy acknowledged the Blog, how about the rest of you?
5) We need to have a "lobby" group - but, we have to help ourselves by finding the people who can start one physically. To fight these activists we have to
be in the open to be heard by Govt & public to be "relevant"
Good example is ST, as long as our views are kept back, we are limited to only REACH and other websites.
So, spread the word & keep looking for people who have the time to lead us as resources can be contributed by others. Once we have a leader, others such as us will
follow in support.
Regards
Dear All,
Before the thread is taken down, know 5 things:-
1) We have our own Blog at website by "P" at
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
You can put in your comments regarding each article.
You may want to scroll down this thread to:
“P” dated 19 Jun 09 , 11:42 AM
REVISED STEPS to put in your comments after anArticle in the blog.
2) You can send any material to "P" at email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
for "P" to put up on the website for all to see. Try to use a new email to maintain security for now as we may have a wolf in sheep's clothing, as we do not know each other physically. You may want to scroll down this thread to retrieve “P” dated 19 Jun 09, 12:17 PM
3) Write to all the Ministers & MPs on :
a) the Arts NMP nominees (Very important so keep it a Priority)
b) the ST media coverage biasedness
c) the new CSE discoveries by "Concerned to be...." regarding SPPA
4) Can all of you spread the word and keep alive our new "Blog" by "P".
We need this space to stay together & united as we are in for the long haul as some of
you already mentioned earlier .
Only saw LEE & Josh Roy acknowledged the Blog, how about the rest of you?
5) We need to have a "lobby" group - but, we have to help ourselves by finding the people who can start one physically. To fight these activists we have to
be in the open to be heard by Govt & public to be "relevant"
Good example is ST, as long as our views are kept back, we are limited to only REACH and other websites.
So, spread the word & keep looking for people who have the time to lead us as resources can be contributed by others. Once we have a leader, others such as us will
follow in support.
Regards
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 02:56 AM
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Hi [Details Removed],
Thanks for returning and opening up more cans of worms into this "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
(http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm) and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of the problem is!"
Hmmmm... I have already written to REACH on our Concerned Parents and citizens's Objection to SPPA (Singapore Planned Parenthood Association) as external vendor for anymore CSE programmes. And REACH have sent my letter to MOE and I have already received a reply from MOE that they will send my letter and our concerns to the CSE Committee. I hope that they (MOE) will SERIOUSLY consider our concerns and objection to SPPA.
AWARE has taught CSE in schools for over 2 years, but SPPA has taught much longer than that! It's no wonder that our kids are getting from bad to worse in school and so are the moral values!
These people must be STOPPED!
Please ALL of you Parents, BE VIGILANT, WAKE-UP and BE PRO-ACIVE and FIGHT FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH, SOUNDNESS, SAFETY AND LIFE!
Hi [Details Removed],
Thanks for returning and opening up more cans of worms into this "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
(http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm) and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of the problem is!"
Hmmmm... I have already written to REACH on our Concerned Parents and citizens's Objection to SPPA (Singapore Planned Parenthood Association) as external vendor for anymore CSE programmes. And REACH have sent my letter to MOE and I have already received a reply from MOE that they will send my letter and our concerns to the CSE Committee. I hope that they (MOE) will SERIOUSLY consider our concerns and objection to SPPA.
AWARE has taught CSE in schools for over 2 years, but SPPA has taught much longer than that! It's no wonder that our kids are getting from bad to worse in school and so are the moral values!
These people must be STOPPED!
Please ALL of you Parents, BE VIGILANT, WAKE-UP and BE PRO-ACIVE and FIGHT FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH, SOUNDNESS, SAFETY AND LIFE!
[Details removed] - 20 Jun 09 , 02:21 AM
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How unfortunate REACH is going to shut down this thread. But before we go, Mr Han of ST responded and from what he wrote, ST is unlikely to make any further statements on this and would let the issue die a natural death.
Nonetheless, I have appealed again to Mr Han and Mr Alan Chan (SPH's CEO) asking them to reconsider their decision to stay silent because it will not benefit ST in the long-run and I directed them to this site. I have also copied Dr Amy Khor (REACH Chairman) in my letter, to ensure that she will not overlook our efforts here and will collate our views and feed them back to the Singapore Government.
Here is something else I discovered about CSE.
Do a google search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" and you will find that the CSE program is global and it is may be championed by SIECUS.
Do a search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of
the problem is!
Given the 'global support' of CSE, we can now understand why AWARE is keen on bidding their time to reintroduce it later! AWARE fails to realize that what is "acceptable" to the USA culture (ie. if they are acceptable because many Americans are objecting to CSE programs as well) does not readily apply to the Singapore or Asian culture!
So [concerned] and [Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore!], there is a lot more vigilance needed on your part!
All the best everyone! We are in this for the long haul!!
How unfortunate REACH is going to shut down this thread. But before we go, Mr Han of ST responded and from what he wrote, ST is unlikely to make any further statements on this and would let the issue die a natural death.
Nonetheless, I have appealed again to Mr Han and Mr Alan Chan (SPH's CEO) asking them to reconsider their decision to stay silent because it will not benefit ST in the long-run and I directed them to this site. I have also copied Dr Amy Khor (REACH Chairman) in my letter, to ensure that she will not overlook our efforts here and will collate our views and feed them back to the Singapore Government.
Here is something else I discovered about CSE.
Do a google search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" and you will find that the CSE program is global and it is may be championed by SIECUS.
Do a search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of
the problem is!
Given the 'global support' of CSE, we can now understand why AWARE is keen on bidding their time to reintroduce it later! AWARE fails to realize that what is "acceptable" to the USA culture (ie. if they are acceptable because many Americans are objecting to CSE programs as well) does not readily apply to the Singapore or Asian culture!
So [concerned] and [Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore!], there is a lot more vigilance needed on your part!
All the best everyone! We are in this for the long haul!!
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 02:20 AM
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(Page 1)
1. WHAT IS HOMOSEXUALITY?
Most people assume homosexuality to be little more than a sexual act between two individuals of the same gender. This is far too simplistic a view of this multi-faceted topic. Anyone interested in this subject must take four areas into account: physiological psychic response, identity, behavior, and lifestyle options.
Learned Responses
God created each of us as a complex creature. We have needs that must be met in order for us to grow and mature. When these needs are not met, we establish immature coping mechanisms that often work directly against God’s original intent for us. Frank Worthen, the founder of Exodus International, explains this phenomenon this way:
Psychic response is a technical term for what many people refer to as a homosexual orientation”. Though many people claim that they have experienced visual or sexual attraction for the same sex “as long as they can remember, there is a progression in a person’s life that leads to a homosexual psychic response. A child may start out with a need to compare himself with others to see if he measures up to societal standards. When he feels he doesn’t compare favorably with others, he develops admiration for those traits and physical characteristics he feels he does not possess.
Admiration, which is normal, may turn to envy. Envy leads to the desire to possess others and finally, to consume others. This strong desire becomes eroticized somewhere along the way, eventually leading to homosexual psychic response (also known as sexual thought life or fantasy).
(Page 2)
Behavior
When these psychic responses take root, some people carry out these fantasies first through masturbation and later in actual sexual behavior with another male or female. But the physical act itself does not indicate a homosexual orientation. Many young boys who engage in homosexual behavior later end up with no vestiges of homosexuality.
Identity
The problem in today’s social climate is that more and more individuals are taking on a gay identity simply because they need to find their place. Many who would rarely have experienced a struggle with homosexuality find themselves comfortable in this identity because of society’s “anything goes” mentality.
Other people embrace a gay identity after years of physiological psychic response. Their behaviors create an identity in which they take comfort or even pride.
Lifestyle
Homosexuality includes varying lifestyles. Some gays only engage in anonymous and relatively rare sexual encounters and tend to live in constant fear of being found out. Others “come out” and become active, politically motivated members of the gay community and associate only with those favorable to like causes.
As you can see, homosexuality is multi-dimensional, and individuals can land anywhere on the spectrum of these four basic components. What does this information mean for you? Don’t just take a friend or loved one’s confession or proclamation of homosexuality as evidence that he or she is engaging in same sex sexual behavior. Talk to him or her to develop a deeper understanding of what the admission means.
2. DO HOMOSEXUALS CHOOSE TO BE GAY?
Let me answer this one directly: NO! And in case you didn’t hear me, let me speak up:
NO!
This continues to be one of the myths of homosexuality that uninformed people perpetuate. Christians or conservatives may say to a homosexual, “I have a heart for those in your community, and I love you.” And then as if to drive a splinter under the fingernail of the hand they’ve just reached out to hold, they add: “But you and your friends have to realize that homosexuality was your choice”.
Ouch.
I can tell you from personal experience that virtually NO one chooses homosexuality and the resulting pain and rejection that come with it. No child or adolescent approaches the smorgasbord of sexual orientation and says, “Hmm… I think I’ll take that one”. One the contrary, most homosexuals try to deny the existence of their same sex attractions, to pray it away, or to repress it until they become so discourage by their inability to master the desires that they “come out”. Attributing this struggle to the willing choice of any individual not only conveys a lack of understanding but also adds to the tremendous shame seared into many homosexuals’ hearts.
So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act.
One last important note on this subject: As harmful as the “you choose to be gay” argument, is another oft-repeated phrase, all too frequently seen on the signs of conservative protesters at gay events “God didn’t create Adam and Steve, He create Adam and Eve”. Anyone who thinks this is cute or helpful couldn’t be more wrong. Flippant expressions like this make whoever’s saying them look foolish, and their underlying malice directly contradicts Scripture.
Agrees with LEE: "When I say that its a lie that homosexuals are incapable of changing, I am talking about those who want to change but are told that they cant and simply have to live with it. For those who do not wish to change, that is their choice.
I have used the word "lie" because no one has a right to stop another individual from wanting to change if that individual DESIRES to do so. The individual needs to know that help is there should he desire it.
On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If smokers push for more space to smoke freely in public space, we would also say no and no amount of discussion would make us change our minds".
Thank you LEE for this.
(Page 1)
1. WHAT IS HOMOSEXUALITY?
Most people assume homosexuality to be little more than a sexual act between two individuals of the same gender. This is far too simplistic a view of this multi-faceted topic. Anyone interested in this subject must take four areas into account: physiological psychic response, identity, behavior, and lifestyle options.
Learned Responses
God created each of us as a complex creature. We have needs that must be met in order for us to grow and mature. When these needs are not met, we establish immature coping mechanisms that often work directly against God’s original intent for us. Frank Worthen, the founder of Exodus International, explains this phenomenon this way:
Psychic response is a technical term for what many people refer to as a homosexual orientation”. Though many people claim that they have experienced visual or sexual attraction for the same sex “as long as they can remember, there is a progression in a person’s life that leads to a homosexual psychic response. A child may start out with a need to compare himself with others to see if he measures up to societal standards. When he feels he doesn’t compare favorably with others, he develops admiration for those traits and physical characteristics he feels he does not possess.
Admiration, which is normal, may turn to envy. Envy leads to the desire to possess others and finally, to consume others. This strong desire becomes eroticized somewhere along the way, eventually leading to homosexual psychic response (also known as sexual thought life or fantasy).
(Page 2)
Behavior
When these psychic responses take root, some people carry out these fantasies first through masturbation and later in actual sexual behavior with another male or female. But the physical act itself does not indicate a homosexual orientation. Many young boys who engage in homosexual behavior later end up with no vestiges of homosexuality.
Identity
The problem in today’s social climate is that more and more individuals are taking on a gay identity simply because they need to find their place. Many who would rarely have experienced a struggle with homosexuality find themselves comfortable in this identity because of society’s “anything goes” mentality.
Other people embrace a gay identity after years of physiological psychic response. Their behaviors create an identity in which they take comfort or even pride.
Lifestyle
Homosexuality includes varying lifestyles. Some gays only engage in anonymous and relatively rare sexual encounters and tend to live in constant fear of being found out. Others “come out” and become active, politically motivated members of the gay community and associate only with those favorable to like causes.
As you can see, homosexuality is multi-dimensional, and individuals can land anywhere on the spectrum of these four basic components. What does this information mean for you? Don’t just take a friend or loved one’s confession or proclamation of homosexuality as evidence that he or she is engaging in same sex sexual behavior. Talk to him or her to develop a deeper understanding of what the admission means.
2. DO HOMOSEXUALS CHOOSE TO BE GAY?
Let me answer this one directly: NO! And in case you didn’t hear me, let me speak up:
NO!
This continues to be one of the myths of homosexuality that uninformed people perpetuate. Christians or conservatives may say to a homosexual, “I have a heart for those in your community, and I love you.” And then as if to drive a splinter under the fingernail of the hand they’ve just reached out to hold, they add: “But you and your friends have to realize that homosexuality was your choice”.
Ouch.
I can tell you from personal experience that virtually NO one chooses homosexuality and the resulting pain and rejection that come with it. No child or adolescent approaches the smorgasbord of sexual orientation and says, “Hmm… I think I’ll take that one”. One the contrary, most homosexuals try to deny the existence of their same sex attractions, to pray it away, or to repress it until they become so discourage by their inability to master the desires that they “come out”. Attributing this struggle to the willing choice of any individual not only conveys a lack of understanding but also adds to the tremendous shame seared into many homosexuals’ hearts.
So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act.
One last important note on this subject: As harmful as the “you choose to be gay” argument, is another oft-repeated phrase, all too frequently seen on the signs of conservative protesters at gay events “God didn’t create Adam and Steve, He create Adam and Eve”. Anyone who thinks this is cute or helpful couldn’t be more wrong. Flippant expressions like this make whoever’s saying them look foolish, and their underlying malice directly contradicts Scripture.
Agrees with LEE: "When I say that its a lie that homosexuals are incapable of changing, I am talking about those who want to change but are told that they cant and simply have to live with it. For those who do not wish to change, that is their choice.
I have used the word "lie" because no one has a right to stop another individual from wanting to change if that individual DESIRES to do so. The individual needs to know that help is there should he desire it.
On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If smokers push for more space to smoke freely in public space, we would also say no and no amount of discussion would make us change our minds".
Thank you LEE for this.
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 02:18 AM
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Hi CW,
Although LEE has managed to reply you extremely well, I would like to further add to LEE and Josh Roy on your post on Homosexuality: "However, the stand taken by many forum commentators here becomes grey during the course of discussion. For example, the pressing need to research and identify anyone who is homosexual or the suggestion it is a lie if a homosexual individual can’t change. It further impacted with suggestions that homosexuals arise from broken families. This tends to affect the sincerity of your initial support statements.
We have to be fair in acknowledging potentially different scenarios when debating the cause of homosexuality and whether it is immoral. There can be many reasons why. It could be nature, nurture, psychological reactions or disease. There needs to be more research (ones that are not tainted by either pro-homosexual or anti-homosexual groups) so as to give a better understanding on the matter."
I will be extracting the followings from MIKE HALEY’S book, "101 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY". Bear with me, as I am still typing more on Microsoft words so that I can copy and paste more from the book tomorrow before this thread is archived. This is a good book. I hope you would buy and read.
For 12 years, the author, Mike Haley, lived as an active homosexual. He wrote: "I know the subculture. I've felt what homosexuals feel - the hurt, rejection, anger, broken relationships, and the intense desire to be loved for whom they are. I also know their friends and loved ones feel when someone close to them "comes out" about their homosexuality. I know how the church often seems like the last place to go for help. And I know how families suffer and pray through the pain - as my own dear family did."
Later I will reveal more in depth of Mike Haley's and how he became a homosexual, what saved and totally changed him, and he and his wife are proud parents of two sons.
Hi CW,
Although LEE has managed to reply you extremely well, I would like to further add to LEE and Josh Roy on your post on Homosexuality: "However, the stand taken by many forum commentators here becomes grey during the course of discussion. For example, the pressing need to research and identify anyone who is homosexual or the suggestion it is a lie if a homosexual individual can’t change. It further impacted with suggestions that homosexuals arise from broken families. This tends to affect the sincerity of your initial support statements.
We have to be fair in acknowledging potentially different scenarios when debating the cause of homosexuality and whether it is immoral. There can be many reasons why. It could be nature, nurture, psychological reactions or disease. There needs to be more research (ones that are not tainted by either pro-homosexual or anti-homosexual groups) so as to give a better understanding on the matter."
I will be extracting the followings from MIKE HALEY’S book, "101 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY". Bear with me, as I am still typing more on Microsoft words so that I can copy and paste more from the book tomorrow before this thread is archived. This is a good book. I hope you would buy and read.
For 12 years, the author, Mike Haley, lived as an active homosexual. He wrote: "I know the subculture. I've felt what homosexuals feel - the hurt, rejection, anger, broken relationships, and the intense desire to be loved for whom they are. I also know their friends and loved ones feel when someone close to them "comes out" about their homosexuality. I know how the church often seems like the last place to go for help. And I know how families suffer and pray through the pain - as my own dear family did."
Later I will reveal more in depth of Mike Haley's and how he became a homosexual, what saved and totally changed him, and he and his wife are proud parents of two sons.
Nominee Loretta Chen - 19 Jun 09 , 14:52 PM
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LORETTA CHEN (Arts nominee for NMP put up by Arts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen
Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006). In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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Article on V Power! By Ilsa Chan, channelnewsasia.com
Posted: 13 October 2008 2008 hrs
Touted as the year’s sexiest play to hit our shores, “The Vagina Monologues”, a powerful collection of anecdotes celebrating all things feminine, was given a fresh twist by director Loretta Chen.
Judy Ngo ranted about the injustices wrought against the vagina in “My Angry Vagina”; “The Coochie Snorcher That Could” illustrated the painful effects of sexual abuse as a child while Eleine Ng’s portrayal of the ‘moans’ women make during sex in “The Woman Who Made Vaginas Happy” was simply hilarious (my favourite was the Malay one!).
“Reclaiming Cunt” saw Asha Edmund proudly re-appropriating the derogatory term and zeroing in on audience members and getting them to yell the word “cunt”. The worried look on some of the audiences’ faces was priceless!
Rest of the article can be read online
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/reviews/view/382517/1/.html
LORETTA CHEN (Arts nominee for NMP put up by Arts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen
Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006). In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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Article on V Power! By Ilsa Chan, channelnewsasia.com
Posted: 13 October 2008 2008 hrs
Touted as the year’s sexiest play to hit our shores, “The Vagina Monologues”, a powerful collection of anecdotes celebrating all things feminine, was given a fresh twist by director Loretta Chen.
Judy Ngo ranted about the injustices wrought against the vagina in “My Angry Vagina”; “The Coochie Snorcher That Could” illustrated the painful effects of sexual abuse as a child while Eleine Ng’s portrayal of the ‘moans’ women make during sex in “The Woman Who Made Vaginas Happy” was simply hilarious (my favourite was the Malay one!).
“Reclaiming Cunt” saw Asha Edmund proudly re-appropriating the derogatory term and zeroing in on audience members and getting them to yell the word “cunt”. The worried look on some of the audiences’ faces was priceless!
Rest of the article can be read online
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/reviews/view/382517/1/.html
JOSH ROY - 19 Jun 09 , 20:25 PM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Dear 'CW'
It's true that we are not to judge whether Homosexual individuals are immoral or not.
But from the contents of the massive SPAM that this thread receives, it's highly obvious from whom these spams were from. Either pro-ST and their pink agenda or from the groups who calls themselves PLU. They are so highly threatened by the truths revealed by many contributors here that they had to resort to splashing links to immoral sites and sexually suggestive links. Thus, IMO, these individuals drunk the cup of judgement upon themselves.
This alone is testament to what kind of morals majority of these individuals advocate and practise. You have written your thoughts very well. But at the end, the truth will prevail and lies will be exposed however one tries to sugarcoat their intentions. However harmless it might seem at first glance. That is why we need more civic minded people like 'LEE' & 'P' to do investigative work.
To 'P', thank you so much for your initiatives! We are truly grateful to your sacrifice of time and effort.
Dear 'CW'
It's true that we are not to judge whether Homosexual individuals are immoral or not.
But from the contents of the massive SPAM that this thread receives, it's highly obvious from whom these spams were from. Either pro-ST and their pink agenda or from the groups who calls themselves PLU. They are so highly threatened by the truths revealed by many contributors here that they had to resort to splashing links to immoral sites and sexually suggestive links. Thus, IMO, these individuals drunk the cup of judgement upon themselves.
This alone is testament to what kind of morals majority of these individuals advocate and practise. You have written your thoughts very well. But at the end, the truth will prevail and lies will be exposed however one tries to sugarcoat their intentions. However harmless it might seem at first glance. That is why we need more civic minded people like 'LEE' & 'P' to do investigative work.
To 'P', thank you so much for your initiatives! We are truly grateful to your sacrifice of time and effort.
Friday, June 19, 2009
LEE's Contribution - 19.06.2009
TIPS WHEN YOU WISH TO WRITE TO THE GOVERNMENT (from concern and others...)
12 Jun 09 , 11:05 AM
1. Do write to your MPs - they do value appropriate feedback. If we
remain silent, we lose out simply because our MPs do not hear our alternative views.
2. Do stay engaged and involved - Remaining silent even though we are
concerned about certain issues means giving up the grounds to others who are perhaps more vocal.
3. It is not about being more articulate - It is about voicing out what
is important to us...Singlish and all
4. Do not get emotional nor bring religion (Christian or otherwise)into
it - common sense, clear conscience and mainstream values are treasured by most.
5. Be REASONABLE, RATIONAL AND OBJECTIVE
The Leaders are very busy people. Make sure you know what is the point or points you want to make. Separate these points. The only way to get their attention is to be clear about what you are saying.
6. Be willing to agree to disagree (hopefully both sides will have equalspace to do so)
7. Recognise that one can make a difference....many "ones" make a multitude
8. Contribute to REACH. Appreciate comments by others
9. Write to REACH to offer feedback to the relevant government ministries. If you want, state the names of the Ministers you want to your feedback to be sent. Just putting "ministers or MPs" can be a little vague for Reach. They may end up sending it only to One Ministry.
10. Be part of a "Citizen Watch" now that we know that some of our mainstream media and newspapers are lacking in
balanced objective coverage.
We need to do our own homework and research and then make our own judgements - based on more complete information.
11. Always try to include all the relevant links to the articles you are referring to. Its good to use "quote" and "unquote"
"Great works are performed not by strength but by perseverance."
As "Details Removed" said - show yourselves to our elected officials. Only then will each "drop of rain" count in making the sea!
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12 Jun 09 , 11:05 AM
1. Do write to your MPs - they do value appropriate feedback. If we
remain silent, we lose out simply because our MPs do not hear our alternative views.
2. Do stay engaged and involved - Remaining silent even though we are
concerned about certain issues means giving up the grounds to others who are perhaps more vocal.
3. It is not about being more articulate - It is about voicing out what
is important to us...Singlish and all
4. Do not get emotional nor bring religion (Christian or otherwise)into
it - common sense, clear conscience and mainstream values are treasured by most.
5. Be REASONABLE, RATIONAL AND OBJECTIVE
The Leaders are very busy people. Make sure you know what is the point or points you want to make. Separate these points. The only way to get their attention is to be clear about what you are saying.
6. Be willing to agree to disagree (hopefully both sides will have equalspace to do so)
7. Recognise that one can make a difference....many "ones" make a multitude
8. Contribute to REACH. Appreciate comments by others
9. Write to REACH to offer feedback to the relevant government ministries. If you want, state the names of the Ministers you want to your feedback to be sent. Just putting "ministers or MPs" can be a little vague for Reach. They may end up sending it only to One Ministry.
10. Be part of a "Citizen Watch" now that we know that some of our mainstream media and newspapers are lacking in
balanced objective coverage.
We need to do our own homework and research and then make our own judgements - based on more complete information.
11. Always try to include all the relevant links to the articles you are referring to. Its good to use "quote" and "unquote"
"Great works are performed not by strength but by perseverance."
As "Details Removed" said - show yourselves to our elected officials. Only then will each "drop of rain" count in making the sea!
---------------------------------------------------------------
The emails of all Government leaders are found:
http://www.sgdi.gov.sg/
Important letters should be sent also to The Cabinet
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/CabinetAppointments/index.htm
The whole list of current MPs are found in
http://www.parliament.gov.sg/cgi-bin/new-mpsearch.pl
http://www.parliament.gov.sg/AboutUs/Org-MP-currentMP.htm
LEE's Latest Article-Letter To The NMP Select Committee
Hi All,
Praetorian has put LEE's complete letter on this blog. If possible, you may want to copy and do the same by sending this letter to the Select Committee through REACH:
--LEE's Letter----------
"FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:42 PM
SELECTION OF NMP’S –
“Dear Members of the Special Select Committee
-Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi (Chairman)
-Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, Minister, Prime Minister's Office, Second Minister for Finance and Second Minister for Transport
-Mr Low Thia Khiang
-Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development
-Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs
-Mr Michael Palmer; -Mr Sam Tan Chin Siong; Mrs Josephine Teo"
On the selection of NMP's, those who come into Parliament must bring added value and not be those who will most likely start lobbying for their "own" groups. Singapore is a multi racial and multi religious nation and if people like Loretta Chan are likely to be very vocal about pushing the pro gay agenda onto public space in Parliament, it is going to cause alot of problems for our society and end up polarising our nation. She has proudly and openly announced her lesbian stand and has directed films with controversial themes (please see below). Leaders in Parliament should set good examples for our younger generation.
It is bad enough that Mr. Siew Kum Hong set a very bad example when he took sides at the Aware saga. Instead of bringing calm to an explosive situation, he only added to the problems by his behaviour at the EGM. I hope the committee will review his desire to stand for a 2nd term.
Ministers and MPs need to be people of integrity and I am thankful for the PAP Government. I appeal to the committe to select NMP's who can contribute to the good of Singaporeans instead of polarising our society should they be selected.
---contd pg 2----
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:43 PM
Contd Pg. 2 my letter on Selection of NMPs
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/BgSty_376609_1.html
ON MR SIEW KUM HONG
NMPs are like de facto politicians..not elected by the people but have the privilege to give their views in parliament. They should be responsible in their actions and speak. They should carry balanced and objective views as any issue is a double-edged sword. Rather than just shoot from-the-hip and give biased views through 'tinted lenses' like Mr Siew Kum Hong when he commented and sided on the AWARE saga. We need NMPs who come with objective positions and solutions…... So NMPs must bring added value and Not just lobby for some group. If one cannot contribute in this manner, they don't deserve to be selected to be an NMP. -- Kay Tee on Reach website
ON MS LORETTA CHEN
Loretta Chen is openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes. She's supposed to be a nominee from the arts community but is this again a back door for more pro LGBTs to represent voice in Parliament for education? I love the arts & the many artistic talents but I resent the double standards here... Christians were accused of entering "secular" space, why should gays and lesbians have free access to this so-called 'secular' space? -- isay on Reach website
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/04/03/1817.annabel-chong-renegade-and-revolutionary-says-251-director-and-playwright?n=aut
Entertainment -3 Apr 2007 - Lesbian director Loretta Chen and gay playwright Ng Yi-Sheng want audiences to see one Singapore's most internationally known icons, porn actress Annabel Chong, in a different light. Their play 251 opens this Thursday.. Annabel Chong - who needs little introduction - became world famous in 1995 for appearing in a groundbreaking adult movie titled The World's Biggest Gangbang. The then-22-year-old, whose real name is Grace Quek, was filmed having sex 251 times with 70 men over a period of about 10 hours.
---contd pg 3----
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:43 PM
Contd Pg. 3 my letter on Selection of NMPs
There has been so much talk about not bringing religion into the debate by the Pluralists and All Inclusive people. So many articles printed by the Straits Times on this statement. However, I wonder why double standards are allowed to be made on the word "religion". This is an example from what Alex Au said in the forum for the repeal of the gay sex law in July 2007.
:http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/07/16/1899.mp-nmp-attend-forum-on-repeal-of-gay-sex-law?n=aut
Au, a founding member of gay advocacy group People Like Us and Fridae columnist said: "Taking the economic argument presents a danger, which is to buy into the whole ideology that ultimately humans are digits. I want to base an argument purely on the human rights. Gay identity is VERY FUNDAMENTAL; it is as fundamental as your ethnic identity, as your linguistic identity, AS YOUR RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. That being the case, therefore the state through its tools, law, should give equal recognition to that liberty to express your identity."
So members of the Special Select Committee, the word "religion" can mean many things to many people. It is not right nor fair for the Pluralists and LGBT's (lesbians, gays, bisexual, Transexuals) and reporters of ST to insist that those of the different faiths cannot bring their arguments based on religion when in fact, the gay identity is so fundamental - its practically a "religion" to them.
---contd on Pg. 4---
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:44 PM
Contd Pg. 4 my letter on Selection of NMPs
We have enjoyed much peace and harmony for so many years. If NMP's should comprise of people who will start lobbying for their own "groups" and polarise society, what the Government hopes to achieve for our nation will unravel very quickly. If these NMP's should start polarising our nation, much time and energy that should be channelled for more worthy causes will be taken up by these issues.
Thank you for your attention."
Praetorian has put LEE's complete letter on this blog. If possible, you may want to copy and do the same by sending this letter to the Select Committee through REACH:
--LEE's Letter----------
"FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:42 PM
SELECTION OF NMP’S –
“Dear Members of the Special Select Committee
-Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi (Chairman)
-Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, Minister, Prime Minister's Office, Second Minister for Finance and Second Minister for Transport
-Mr Low Thia Khiang
-Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development
-Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs
-Mr Michael Palmer; -Mr Sam Tan Chin Siong; Mrs Josephine Teo"
On the selection of NMP's, those who come into Parliament must bring added value and not be those who will most likely start lobbying for their "own" groups. Singapore is a multi racial and multi religious nation and if people like Loretta Chan are likely to be very vocal about pushing the pro gay agenda onto public space in Parliament, it is going to cause alot of problems for our society and end up polarising our nation. She has proudly and openly announced her lesbian stand and has directed films with controversial themes (please see below). Leaders in Parliament should set good examples for our younger generation.
It is bad enough that Mr. Siew Kum Hong set a very bad example when he took sides at the Aware saga. Instead of bringing calm to an explosive situation, he only added to the problems by his behaviour at the EGM. I hope the committee will review his desire to stand for a 2nd term.
Ministers and MPs need to be people of integrity and I am thankful for the PAP Government. I appeal to the committe to select NMP's who can contribute to the good of Singaporeans instead of polarising our society should they be selected.
---contd pg 2----
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:43 PM
Contd Pg. 2 my letter on Selection of NMPs
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/BgSty_376609_1.html
ON MR SIEW KUM HONG
NMPs are like de facto politicians..not elected by the people but have the privilege to give their views in parliament. They should be responsible in their actions and speak. They should carry balanced and objective views as any issue is a double-edged sword. Rather than just shoot from-the-hip and give biased views through 'tinted lenses' like Mr Siew Kum Hong when he commented and sided on the AWARE saga. We need NMPs who come with objective positions and solutions…... So NMPs must bring added value and Not just lobby for some group. If one cannot contribute in this manner, they don't deserve to be selected to be an NMP. -- Kay Tee on Reach website
ON MS LORETTA CHEN
Loretta Chen is openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes. She's supposed to be a nominee from the arts community but is this again a back door for more pro LGBTs to represent voice in Parliament for education? I love the arts & the many artistic talents but I resent the double standards here... Christians were accused of entering "secular" space, why should gays and lesbians have free access to this so-called 'secular' space? -- isay on Reach website
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/04/03/1817.annabel-chong-renegade-and-revolutionary-says-251-director-and-playwright?n=aut
Entertainment -3 Apr 2007 - Lesbian director Loretta Chen and gay playwright Ng Yi-Sheng want audiences to see one Singapore's most internationally known icons, porn actress Annabel Chong, in a different light. Their play 251 opens this Thursday.. Annabel Chong - who needs little introduction - became world famous in 1995 for appearing in a groundbreaking adult movie titled The World's Biggest Gangbang. The then-22-year-old, whose real name is Grace Quek, was filmed having sex 251 times with 70 men over a period of about 10 hours.
---contd pg 3----
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:43 PM
Contd Pg. 3 my letter on Selection of NMPs
There has been so much talk about not bringing religion into the debate by the Pluralists and All Inclusive people. So many articles printed by the Straits Times on this statement. However, I wonder why double standards are allowed to be made on the word "religion". This is an example from what Alex Au said in the forum for the repeal of the gay sex law in July 2007.
:http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/07/16/1899.mp-nmp-attend-forum-on-repeal-of-gay-sex-law?n=aut
Au, a founding member of gay advocacy group People Like Us and Fridae columnist said: "Taking the economic argument presents a danger, which is to buy into the whole ideology that ultimately humans are digits. I want to base an argument purely on the human rights. Gay identity is VERY FUNDAMENTAL; it is as fundamental as your ethnic identity, as your linguistic identity, AS YOUR RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. That being the case, therefore the state through its tools, law, should give equal recognition to that liberty to express your identity."
So members of the Special Select Committee, the word "religion" can mean many things to many people. It is not right nor fair for the Pluralists and LGBT's (lesbians, gays, bisexual, Transexuals) and reporters of ST to insist that those of the different faiths cannot bring their arguments based on religion when in fact, the gay identity is so fundamental - its practically a "religion" to them.
---contd on Pg. 4---
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:44 PM
Contd Pg. 4 my letter on Selection of NMPs
We have enjoyed much peace and harmony for so many years. If NMP's should comprise of people who will start lobbying for their own "groups" and polarise society, what the Government hopes to achieve for our nation will unravel very quickly. If these NMP's should start polarising our nation, much time and energy that should be channelled for more worthy causes will be taken up by these issues.
Thank you for your attention."
Silent Majority 18 Jun 09 , 13:40 PM
Hi All,
FYI, views of both nominees. My take is that Nominees should weigh in on issues pertaining to the Arts. At one time they were disgruntled with Govt for not giving space to the Arts scene. Fine if it’s about the Arts. I’m all for it but not if it is used as a platform by gay activists. That’s not what Arts NMPs are there for.
Substation's Ms Wong on how she intends to bridge the different voices within the arts community.
"It is also important for this person to have her own position. She has to be able to speak about things that are important to her while also listening. I think it is important to listen to the different views from the arts community. And we need to find ways to filter out the different views, and if necessary to direct people's questions to the right person."
Theater director, Loretta Chen, on the other hand, hopes to develop platforms for more open dialogues and constructive feedback.
"I think in Singapore, we either slam something or choose to not take part. Even for a child, the minute you tell them "wow you did great but you could have done it better" That means a lot and speaks volumes. Perhaps we do mean well, but sometimes we are unable to give constructive feedback to artistes, and that is important when we are able to give constructive feedback and also to be more positive in our feedback to the artistes."
Regards
FYI, views of both nominees. My take is that Nominees should weigh in on issues pertaining to the Arts. At one time they were disgruntled with Govt for not giving space to the Arts scene. Fine if it’s about the Arts. I’m all for it but not if it is used as a platform by gay activists. That’s not what Arts NMPs are there for.
Substation's Ms Wong on how she intends to bridge the different voices within the arts community.
"It is also important for this person to have her own position. She has to be able to speak about things that are important to her while also listening. I think it is important to listen to the different views from the arts community. And we need to find ways to filter out the different views, and if necessary to direct people's questions to the right person."
Theater director, Loretta Chen, on the other hand, hopes to develop platforms for more open dialogues and constructive feedback.
"I think in Singapore, we either slam something or choose to not take part. Even for a child, the minute you tell them "wow you did great but you could have done it better" That means a lot and speaks volumes. Perhaps we do mean well, but sometimes we are unable to give constructive feedback to artistes, and that is important when we are able to give constructive feedback and also to be more positive in our feedback to the artistes."
Regards
FROM Colourful NMP 18 Jun 09 , 17:15 PM
Loretta Chen! Such a "colourful" character is allowed into our Parliament as a NMP!
For what good reason is there any need for such inclusion? "Diversity" of views? "Vibrancy" of delivery?
Such wonderful inclusions and beautiful descriptions are only fancy on the surface.
We sure dread the day when we go the way of one parliament in Europe when such colour was included "Cicciolina"
For what good reason is there any need for such inclusion? "Diversity" of views? "Vibrancy" of delivery?
Such wonderful inclusions and beautiful descriptions are only fancy on the surface.
We sure dread the day when we go the way of one parliament in Europe when such colour was included "Cicciolina"
FROM Terminator 18 Jun 09 , 20:06 PM
Dear Silent majority, lee, JOsh roy,P and etc
Really glad to see that all of you are still contributing to this thread. I hope that someone will set up a conservative values organisation dedicated to preserving the moral values of the society. We should speak to our friends, neighbours and families (regardless of race, language and religion) about the importrance of preserving our values before our society is assimilated by the so called values from the west. Don't know why younger generation thinks the world of them. What is so good about the west? Look at their societies! They also have a lot of social problems on their hands and why should we prescribe to their way of thinking.
Eastern moral values have been around for thousands of yrs too. China and Asia are the next superpowers and the west is going to be passe. We need to arise and make our voices heard. If not we are just going to be another silent majority.
Really glad to see that all of you are still contributing to this thread. I hope that someone will set up a conservative values organisation dedicated to preserving the moral values of the society. We should speak to our friends, neighbours and families (regardless of race, language and religion) about the importrance of preserving our values before our society is assimilated by the so called values from the west. Don't know why younger generation thinks the world of them. What is so good about the west? Look at their societies! They also have a lot of social problems on their hands and why should we prescribe to their way of thinking.
Eastern moral values have been around for thousands of yrs too. China and Asia are the next superpowers and the west is going to be passe. We need to arise and make our voices heard. If not we are just going to be another silent majority.
Another Article From "Objectivity In Media Reporting"
Double standards
18 Jun 09 , 21:47 PM
Look at the double standards. The LGBTs say dont bring religion into the debate. But read what Alex Au said during the forum on repeal of gay sex law in July 2007.
To them, being gay is as fundamental as your RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. To them, its a kind of "religion".
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/07/16/1899.mp-nmp-attend-forum-on-repeal-of-gay-sex-law?n=aut
Au, a founding member of gay advocacy group People Like Us and Fridae columnist said: "Taking the economic argument presents a danger, which is to buy into the whole ideology that ultimately humans are digits. I want to base an argument purely on the human rights. Gay identity is very fundamental; it is AS FUNDAMENTAL AS your ethnic identity, as your linguistic identity, as your RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. That being the case, therefore the state through its tools, law, should give equal recognition to that liberty to express your identity."
Please be sure to read the WHOLE article through the link for yourself before you comment.
18 Jun 09 , 21:47 PM
Look at the double standards. The LGBTs say dont bring religion into the debate. But read what Alex Au said during the forum on repeal of gay sex law in July 2007.
To them, being gay is as fundamental as your RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. To them, its a kind of "religion".
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/07/16/1899.mp-nmp-attend-forum-on-repeal-of-gay-sex-law?n=aut
Au, a founding member of gay advocacy group People Like Us and Fridae columnist said: "Taking the economic argument presents a danger, which is to buy into the whole ideology that ultimately humans are digits. I want to base an argument purely on the human rights. Gay identity is very fundamental; it is AS FUNDAMENTAL AS your ethnic identity, as your linguistic identity, as your RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. That being the case, therefore the state through its tools, law, should give equal recognition to that liberty to express your identity."
Please be sure to read the WHOLE article through the link for yourself before you comment.
LEE's Latest Article
LEE
18 Jun 09 , 22:50 PM
Dear Friends,
I have already sent my letter about the NMP nominations directly to the Select Committee through REACH
That letter is posted on the thread "ENSURING A DIVERSITY OF VIEWS" (under "For your consideration")
http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/TalkAbuzz/YourFeedbackOurResponse/tabid/181/ctl/Details/mid/926/ItemID/107/Default.aspx
Please read it on that thread. When writing directly to the committee, please be as rational as possible and avoid copying my letter. It must be a personal email from you so that it will carry more weight. Please avoid being too emotional or paranoid about the matter - try to be as factual as possible.
Hope my example will encourage everyone who feels the same concerns esp for Singapore and our young.
18 Jun 09 , 22:50 PM
Dear Friends,
I have already sent my letter about the NMP nominations directly to the Select Committee through REACH
That letter is posted on the thread "ENSURING A DIVERSITY OF VIEWS" (under "For your consideration")
http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/TalkAbuzz/YourFeedbackOurResponse/tabid/181/ctl/Details/mid/926/ItemID/107/Default.aspx
Please read it on that thread. When writing directly to the committee, please be as rational as possible and avoid copying my letter. It must be a personal email from you so that it will carry more weight. Please avoid being too emotional or paranoid about the matter - try to be as factual as possible.
Hope my example will encourage everyone who feels the same concerns esp for Singapore and our young.
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Arts Nominees For NMPs
Hi All,
Presently, I have only articles on Arts nominee Loretta Chen. This is to try to give our viewers as much of an informed view of whom our Arts nominees are and what they represent. You may want to go to the website links which I have attached to get a better understanding of the nominee and her beliefs.
Arts Nominee: Loretta Chen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen
Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006).
In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.
Loretta is currently Treasurer of the Association of Singapore Actors (ASA) and an Associate Director of Toy Factory and Action Theatre. In 2008, she was selected by the Mayor of the Northwest CDC to sit on the Arts and Culture Committee.
She is currently the Artistic Director of Zebra Crossing Productions.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/BgSty_376609_1.html
ON MS LORETTA CHAN
Loretta Chen is no different... she's openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes. She's supposed to be a nominee from the arts community but is this again a back door for more pro LGBTs to represent voice in Parliament for education? I love the arts & the many artistic talents but I resent the double standards here... Christians were accused of entering "secular" space, why should gays and lesbians have free access to this so-called 'secular' space? -- isay on Reach website
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April 23, 2009
Arts community seeks NMP
Theatre director Loretta Chen, 32, says she is willing to be a candidate By Zakir Hussain SINGAPORE'S arts community is gathering views on whom it should propose as a Nominated MP (NMP), and already a theatre director has stepped up to the plate.
She is Ms Loretta Chen, 32, who was once a member of the People's Action Party (PAP) youth wing.
She told The Straits Times yesterday: 'I've been receiving a barrage of e-mail messages and SMSes urging me to stand.
'I may not be the best person but I'm willing to learn and work hard.'
She said she left the PAP youth wing two years ago as she felt it was not the right platform for her to serve the wider community.
Other potential candidates are: artistic co-director of arts venue The Substation Audrey Wong, 40; theatre director Beatrice Chia-Richmond, 34; and jazz pianist and educator Jeremy Monteiro, 48.
Their names were suggested at a meeting of members of the arts community, held last Thursday at arts venue The White House in Emily Hill.
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http://www.asiaone.com/Just+Woman/News/Women+In+The+News/Story/A1Story20080930-90867.html
7. What made you join the Young PAP?
If you want to make a change, you have to actively make it and that means working within the political avenues.
Some people get quite disheartened, cynical and feel powerless because they keep criticising from the outside.
I say: Jump in and fight for what you believe in. Theatre is a great platform for me to be politically aware and socially involved while still being creative.
Moderator's Note: S met up with MM and asked about gay censorship. She has now left the PAP Youth Wing. Looks like much inroad was made. Since Govt opened doors for gays into civil service, the activists have well-placed people all over in Govt now.
Praetorian will try to provide further information on other nominee Audrey Wong on her views.
Regards
Presently, I have only articles on Arts nominee Loretta Chen. This is to try to give our viewers as much of an informed view of whom our Arts nominees are and what they represent. You may want to go to the website links which I have attached to get a better understanding of the nominee and her beliefs.
Arts Nominee: Loretta Chen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen
Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006).
In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.
Loretta is currently Treasurer of the Association of Singapore Actors (ASA) and an Associate Director of Toy Factory and Action Theatre. In 2008, she was selected by the Mayor of the Northwest CDC to sit on the Arts and Culture Committee.
She is currently the Artistic Director of Zebra Crossing Productions.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/BgSty_376609_1.html
ON MS LORETTA CHAN
Loretta Chen is no different... she's openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes. She's supposed to be a nominee from the arts community but is this again a back door for more pro LGBTs to represent voice in Parliament for education? I love the arts & the many artistic talents but I resent the double standards here... Christians were accused of entering "secular" space, why should gays and lesbians have free access to this so-called 'secular' space? -- isay on Reach website
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April 23, 2009
Arts community seeks NMP
Theatre director Loretta Chen, 32, says she is willing to be a candidate By Zakir Hussain SINGAPORE'S arts community is gathering views on whom it should propose as a Nominated MP (NMP), and already a theatre director has stepped up to the plate.
She is Ms Loretta Chen, 32, who was once a member of the People's Action Party (PAP) youth wing.
She told The Straits Times yesterday: 'I've been receiving a barrage of e-mail messages and SMSes urging me to stand.
'I may not be the best person but I'm willing to learn and work hard.'
She said she left the PAP youth wing two years ago as she felt it was not the right platform for her to serve the wider community.
Other potential candidates are: artistic co-director of arts venue The Substation Audrey Wong, 40; theatre director Beatrice Chia-Richmond, 34; and jazz pianist and educator Jeremy Monteiro, 48.
Their names were suggested at a meeting of members of the arts community, held last Thursday at arts venue The White House in Emily Hill.
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http://www.asiaone.com/Just+Woman/News/Women+In+The+News/Story/A1Story20080930-90867.html
7. What made you join the Young PAP?
If you want to make a change, you have to actively make it and that means working within the political avenues.
Some people get quite disheartened, cynical and feel powerless because they keep criticising from the outside.
I say: Jump in and fight for what you believe in. Theatre is a great platform for me to be politically aware and socially involved while still being creative.
Moderator's Note: S met up with MM and asked about gay censorship. She has now left the PAP Youth Wing. Looks like much inroad was made. Since Govt opened doors for gays into civil service, the activists have well-placed people all over in Govt now.
Praetorian will try to provide further information on other nominee Audrey Wong on her views.
Regards
Ensuring A Diversity Of Views In Parliament
Hi All,
THE members of the Special Select Committee are:
-Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi (Chairman)
-Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, Minister, Prime Minister's Office, Second Minister for Finance
and Second Minister for Transport
-Mr Low Thia Khiang
-Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development
-Mr Sam Tan Chin Siong
-Mrs Josephine Teo
(4) All govt emails can also be found on http://www.sgdi.gov.
(6) Remember, dont rant and rave or get too "emotional" in your personal letter.
(1) Following lists of Ministers & MPs that you can contact to press your concerns about Arts nominees as NMPs who are known active activists with stated agendas which have nothing to do with the promotion of Arts in Singapore.
(2) Furthermore, I have attached the websites taken fro Lee's articles where you can write to them. Better if you write to them individually and also to the Select Group.
THE members of the Special Select Committee are:
-Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi (Chairman)
-Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, Minister, Prime Minister's Office, Second Minister for Finance
and Second Minister for Transport
-Mr Low Thia Khiang
-Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development
-Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and
Ministry of Home Affairs
-Mr Michael PalmerMinistry of Home Affairs
-Mr Sam Tan Chin Siong
-Mrs Josephine Teo
(3) Write personal feedback to the Ministers or Ministry & MPs by addressing it to them directly and through Reach : reach@reach.gov.sg
(4) All govt emails can also be found on http://www.sgdi.gov.
(5) Continue posting our comments here and invite your friends to do so. This will show that there are many who share the same sentiments about Straits Times confusing the public with their biased coverage.
(6) Remember, dont rant and rave or get too "emotional" in your personal letter.
(7) To keep that letter from being overly lengthy, just pick out a point or two and provide or quote the articles, healdines etc and provide the links.
Unity Is Strength!!!
Regards
Unity Is Strength!!!
Regards
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Insightful Comments Extracted From REACH
Insightful comments extracted from REACH which aptly explains the position of all concerned parents & like-minded people:-
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 10:30 AM
Dear “CW”,
In addition to my earlier reply:
Many of my posts and many others here have come out repeatedly to say we are not marginalizing homosexuals who are happy to simply enjoy life Singapore and be happy with their personal space. I wont go deeper into this subject because it has been explained in this thread. Read through and you will understand that many of us have gay friends whom we get along with. These are different from those gay activists as you yourself mentioned.
My optician is gay. He has always been very professional with his work and has great taste in selecting the right frames. I have no problems interacting with him. Recently I also shared about an assignment I did with another gay colleague – a very talented person. It was nice to be able to have a pleasant day with him. He understands I do not endorse the gay alternative lifestyle nor do I approve of homosexual acts. Yet he knows that I accept him as a person worthy of care and love. These friends respect and understand that they should not push their agenda onto mainstream conservatives. In turn, the personal space we give to them shows that we are not marginalizing them in society.
IF you are one of those peaceloving gays who have been contented with having your private space, no desire to push aggressively the pro LGBT agenda, then perhaps people like yourselves should write to those forums which criticise the conservatives (eg. Wayang party, we-are-aware and many more etc.) when we talk about moral values. I wonder if they will be as “gentle” to you if you tell them you don’t agree with them.
So “CW”, it’s the gay activists and organizations like Aware whom we are talking about. Spend more time reading the comments and hopefully you will understand. Take care.
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 10:30 AM
Dear “CW”,
In addition to my earlier reply:
Many of my posts and many others here have come out repeatedly to say we are not marginalizing homosexuals who are happy to simply enjoy life Singapore and be happy with their personal space. I wont go deeper into this subject because it has been explained in this thread. Read through and you will understand that many of us have gay friends whom we get along with. These are different from those gay activists as you yourself mentioned.
My optician is gay. He has always been very professional with his work and has great taste in selecting the right frames. I have no problems interacting with him. Recently I also shared about an assignment I did with another gay colleague – a very talented person. It was nice to be able to have a pleasant day with him. He understands I do not endorse the gay alternative lifestyle nor do I approve of homosexual acts. Yet he knows that I accept him as a person worthy of care and love. These friends respect and understand that they should not push their agenda onto mainstream conservatives. In turn, the personal space we give to them shows that we are not marginalizing them in society.
IF you are one of those peaceloving gays who have been contented with having your private space, no desire to push aggressively the pro LGBT agenda, then perhaps people like yourselves should write to those forums which criticise the conservatives (eg. Wayang party, we-are-aware and many more etc.) when we talk about moral values. I wonder if they will be as “gentle” to you if you tell them you don’t agree with them.
So “CW”, it’s the gay activists and organizations like Aware whom we are talking about. Spend more time reading the comments and hopefully you will understand. Take care.
Comments Taken From REACH 2
Below is continuation of comments from Lee to CW:
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:24 AM
(Contd pg. 3 of 3 pgs)
To “CW”
So don’t worry “CW”, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s new charter of compassion, then individuals like yourself should have nothing to worry about all this information being shared to the public. If this charter isn’t another disguise by Aware for gay activists to push their agenda onto mainstream society, then you have nothing to be concerned about.. Just let the public have all the necessary facts about the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion so they can decide for themselves.
I stated in my earlier posting 16 June 10.02am that everyone is entitled to share their views in our secular state. Aware shares theirs and so should we. Fair and square. But we object when the so called All Inclusives say their views can be included in secular space but ours has to be excluded. We object to our national news media excluding the concerns of parents and citizens until we had to petition, write online letters, mass emails to get MOE to investigate Aware’s Controversial CSE Trainer’s Manual. If ST had really been impartial, all these “actions” would not have been necessary. We have now lost the confidence that ST will be impartial when reporting about activities that deal with moral issues.
Was there a need for Aware to be so secretive and adamant about their confidential manual if there was nothing wrong? So, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s New Charter of Compassion, then there’s nothing wrong in SHARING this information on public space.
Now concerned parents and citizens have to do more investigative work. I save myself close to $320 on one year’s subscription of ST’s print edition. Better to give this to the more needy.
Once again, thank you “CW” for your sincere questions and comments.
Regards
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:24 AM
(Contd pg. 3 of 3 pgs)
To “CW”
So don’t worry “CW”, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s new charter of compassion, then individuals like yourself should have nothing to worry about all this information being shared to the public. If this charter isn’t another disguise by Aware for gay activists to push their agenda onto mainstream society, then you have nothing to be concerned about.. Just let the public have all the necessary facts about the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion so they can decide for themselves.
I stated in my earlier posting 16 June 10.02am that everyone is entitled to share their views in our secular state. Aware shares theirs and so should we. Fair and square. But we object when the so called All Inclusives say their views can be included in secular space but ours has to be excluded. We object to our national news media excluding the concerns of parents and citizens until we had to petition, write online letters, mass emails to get MOE to investigate Aware’s Controversial CSE Trainer’s Manual. If ST had really been impartial, all these “actions” would not have been necessary. We have now lost the confidence that ST will be impartial when reporting about activities that deal with moral issues.
Was there a need for Aware to be so secretive and adamant about their confidential manual if there was nothing wrong? So, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s New Charter of Compassion, then there’s nothing wrong in SHARING this information on public space.
Now concerned parents and citizens have to do more investigative work. I save myself close to $320 on one year’s subscription of ST’s print edition. Better to give this to the more needy.
Once again, thank you “CW” for your sincere questions and comments.
Regards
Comments Taken From REACH
Following is good reading:
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:23 AM
Hello “CW” (pg 1 of 3pgs)
Thank you for your comments.. You have expressed your sentiments very nicely and I know it wont be a waste of time clarifying my stand on this issue for you. Your post is certainly far more sensible than those others who come in only to criticize but have nothing intelligent to contribute.
When Straits Times reported MP Thio Li-Ann’s speech in Parliament, they asked Minister Mah Bow Tan whether she should have identified herself as Dr. Thio’s daughter. Well, Minister Mah said although it was not necessary of MP Li Ann to do so, it would be better if she mentioned it.
The ST reporter was very very keen that MP Thio revealed her background as evident from their reports. This “action” of mine is similar – that we reveal the background of the 4 founding members in Aware’s chapter of compassion and sharing it on public space.
I did not ask for any “action” to shut down the charter or to stop Aware from defining their goals relating to this chapter. I didn’t even accuse them of anything. I just wrote about what I read on the Net and shared it. If the information isn’t true, you should point that out to the people manning those links where I got the information.
Yes, the Charter is for adults. But before the adults can decide and judge for themselves whether there is any hidden agenda in Aware’s charter of compassion, all relevant information should be shared and that is what we are doing.
-------contd on pg 2.--------------------------
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:24 AM
(Contd page 2 of 3 pgs)… my reply to “CW”
You said ”While I recognize the recent sensitivities from the AWARE reporting slant…” Unquote. Thank you for that understanding about the Aware reporting SLANT.
ST insists they have been impartial and professional. So, if ST were to print future articles on Aware’s charter of compassion, will they use their sensational headlines only to highlight what they wish the public to read and dismiss the other important facts the way they did with the CSE issue? Are they going to have breathless coverage and inform the public that these founding members are pluralists who think that any religious citizens speaking up against moral values are denounced as religious fundamentalists? Are they going to splash that poster on the “Mardi Gras” play that was put up Necessary stage? That poster with a practically naked gay with captions “We’re here, we’re Queen, We’re …soooo in trouble”?
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2003/07/02/839.spores-necessary-stage-to-present-mardi-gras
(Those who don’t know what I am talking about, please go to my posting on June 16 09.57am regarding the background of the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion.)
Will ST splash that gay mardi gras poster in the paper the way they splashed Dr. Thio’s photo? I have many friends who told me Dr THIO’S PHOTO IN THE ST WAS LARGER THAN MAS SELAMAT OR ANY PHOTO OF OUR PRIME MINISTER. Unfortunately I missed that.
True Objectivity means the public must have ALL the necessary knowledge about an issue before they can discern for themselves. The only way for adults to “filter” the information is when they are provided with all the facts.
---contd on pg. 3----------------------------------
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:23 AM
Hello “CW” (pg 1 of 3pgs)
Thank you for your comments.. You have expressed your sentiments very nicely and I know it wont be a waste of time clarifying my stand on this issue for you. Your post is certainly far more sensible than those others who come in only to criticize but have nothing intelligent to contribute.
When Straits Times reported MP Thio Li-Ann’s speech in Parliament, they asked Minister Mah Bow Tan whether she should have identified herself as Dr. Thio’s daughter. Well, Minister Mah said although it was not necessary of MP Li Ann to do so, it would be better if she mentioned it.
The ST reporter was very very keen that MP Thio revealed her background as evident from their reports. This “action” of mine is similar – that we reveal the background of the 4 founding members in Aware’s chapter of compassion and sharing it on public space.
I did not ask for any “action” to shut down the charter or to stop Aware from defining their goals relating to this chapter. I didn’t even accuse them of anything. I just wrote about what I read on the Net and shared it. If the information isn’t true, you should point that out to the people manning those links where I got the information.
Yes, the Charter is for adults. But before the adults can decide and judge for themselves whether there is any hidden agenda in Aware’s charter of compassion, all relevant information should be shared and that is what we are doing.
-------contd on pg 2.--------------------------
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:24 AM
(Contd page 2 of 3 pgs)… my reply to “CW”
You said ”While I recognize the recent sensitivities from the AWARE reporting slant…” Unquote. Thank you for that understanding about the Aware reporting SLANT.
ST insists they have been impartial and professional. So, if ST were to print future articles on Aware’s charter of compassion, will they use their sensational headlines only to highlight what they wish the public to read and dismiss the other important facts the way they did with the CSE issue? Are they going to have breathless coverage and inform the public that these founding members are pluralists who think that any religious citizens speaking up against moral values are denounced as religious fundamentalists? Are they going to splash that poster on the “Mardi Gras” play that was put up Necessary stage? That poster with a practically naked gay with captions “We’re here, we’re Queen, We’re …soooo in trouble”?
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2003/07/02/839.spores-necessary-stage-to-present-mardi-gras
(Those who don’t know what I am talking about, please go to my posting on June 16 09.57am regarding the background of the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion.)
Will ST splash that gay mardi gras poster in the paper the way they splashed Dr. Thio’s photo? I have many friends who told me Dr THIO’S PHOTO IN THE ST WAS LARGER THAN MAS SELAMAT OR ANY PHOTO OF OUR PRIME MINISTER. Unfortunately I missed that.
True Objectivity means the public must have ALL the necessary knowledge about an issue before they can discern for themselves. The only way for adults to “filter” the information is when they are provided with all the facts.
---contd on pg. 3----------------------------------
NO OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA COVERAGE
17 Jun 09 , 06:35 AM
Dear All,
As long as there is no objectivity in our national newspaper in their media coverage regarding Aware and the concerns of parents and citizens regarding moral issues, lets request Reach to keep this thread on its portal. Its not wrong for us to ask that we be given space to air our concerns as this issue will be around for a while. Aware and the Pluralists have ST so we can request Reach to give us space to air our views too.
If you feel the same way, please take time to give your request on:-
reach@reach.gov.sg
Dear All,
As long as there is no objectivity in our national newspaper in their media coverage regarding Aware and the concerns of parents and citizens regarding moral issues, lets request Reach to keep this thread on its portal. Its not wrong for us to ask that we be given space to air our concerns as this issue will be around for a while. Aware and the Pluralists have ST so we can request Reach to give us space to air our views too.
If you feel the same way, please take time to give your request on:-
reach@reach.gov.sg
Objectivity In Media Reporting
Dear All Concerned Citizens,
Following insightful comments from one of main contributors of comments on this thread in REACH at website: reach@reach.gov.sg
Following insightful comments from one of main contributors of comments on this thread in REACH at website: reach@reach.gov.sg
To All Parents & Concerned Citizens,
If you care for your children’s future or remember about AWARE, please read on their attempt to come back in another form:-
The groupies & sympathizers are everywhere. So, AWARE is only their vehicle. Infiltrated and taken over. I was once very supportive of their cause when they were pushing to make the women’s lot better. But since then, they have taken up a different cause to fight for under the cloak of women’s rights. As AWARE has now been found out, they have started a new organization “Charter of Compassion”. Different name but same people behind the organization with a view to convert people’s mind to accept moral concepts that’s contrary to the majority view. They want to remake Singapore into A little California in US of A where from young you were taught that same sex marriages & anal s** is fine and normal.
These people are mostly well educated and even thought they are small in numbers, they have their people and sympathizers in many NGOs and social organizations and also in the Arts scene and media. "The pen is mightier than the sword" as the saying goes.
You really don’t need to have a big group if you have well placed people and I think unlimited resources to fall back on. Many of them uses the cloak of respectability to push their agendas. For example, this Prof. Tan from USA, who’s supposed to be an activist in Singapore and who’s now going to give a seminar to “basically” tell people that Asian society is pro-gay and we should be accommodating to them.
Yes, Asian society has ALWAYS been accommodating but that did not mean we agreed with their lifestyle. If a child turns out to be a gay, do we kick them out of the house? NO! Sad? Yes! But, the parents will still accept them.
It’s the western educated minority amongst them who are trying to force they views on us. Worst, they were doing it quietly to our young school-going children to mold their thinking at an age when our young are vulnerable. Do you want to teach your young that “anal sex is fine and ok”, right?
They are also using the Arty people, theatre groups, media, social groups to push their agenda in various disguises.
Hopefully, by being watchful, we concerned citizens will be able to voice our concerns loud enough for our Govt to hear. As you can see, ST, being our national media, has not been helpful in that respect and has been shown to be biased in their accounting of the AWARE issue. In my humble opinion, I felt their reporting made it into an issue of Religion v Homosexuals which was not the case. It was really a case of a group of brave people who were unfortunately, from the same religious background, being parents & concerned citizens, who found out about AWARE’s agenda in disseminating teachings such as “anal sex is fine and ok”. Do you want that?
Please email on this message to as many of your friends as possible to keep them informed. We as concerned parents & citizens have been sleeping for far too long, far too passive in our actions. We have to start taking the responsibility of watching over our young when moral issues are concerned. Write to the Govt too to voice out your concerns.
If you have friends amongst you who are willing to start an organization for concerned citizens/ to be a lobby group, let us know and you will find many willing to take up membership.
The groupies & sympathizers are everywhere. So, AWARE is only their vehicle. Infiltrated and taken over. I was once very supportive of their cause when they were pushing to make the women’s lot better. But since then, they have taken up a different cause to fight for under the cloak of women’s rights. As AWARE has now been found out, they have started a new organization “Charter of Compassion”. Different name but same people behind the organization with a view to convert people’s mind to accept moral concepts that’s contrary to the majority view. They want to remake Singapore into A little California in US of A where from young you were taught that same sex marriages & anal s** is fine and normal.
These people are mostly well educated and even thought they are small in numbers, they have their people and sympathizers in many NGOs and social organizations and also in the Arts scene and media. "The pen is mightier than the sword" as the saying goes.
You really don’t need to have a big group if you have well placed people and I think unlimited resources to fall back on. Many of them uses the cloak of respectability to push their agendas. For example, this Prof. Tan from USA, who’s supposed to be an activist in Singapore and who’s now going to give a seminar to “basically” tell people that Asian society is pro-gay and we should be accommodating to them.
Yes, Asian society has ALWAYS been accommodating but that did not mean we agreed with their lifestyle. If a child turns out to be a gay, do we kick them out of the house? NO! Sad? Yes! But, the parents will still accept them.
It’s the western educated minority amongst them who are trying to force they views on us. Worst, they were doing it quietly to our young school-going children to mold their thinking at an age when our young are vulnerable. Do you want to teach your young that “anal sex is fine and ok”, right?
They are also using the Arty people, theatre groups, media, social groups to push their agenda in various disguises.
Hopefully, by being watchful, we concerned citizens will be able to voice our concerns loud enough for our Govt to hear. As you can see, ST, being our national media, has not been helpful in that respect and has been shown to be biased in their accounting of the AWARE issue. In my humble opinion, I felt their reporting made it into an issue of Religion v Homosexuals which was not the case. It was really a case of a group of brave people who were unfortunately, from the same religious background, being parents & concerned citizens, who found out about AWARE’s agenda in disseminating teachings such as “anal sex is fine and ok”. Do you want that?
Please email on this message to as many of your friends as possible to keep them informed. We as concerned parents & citizens have been sleeping for far too long, far too passive in our actions. We have to start taking the responsibility of watching over our young when moral issues are concerned. Write to the Govt too to voice out your concerns.
If you have friends amongst you who are willing to start an organization for concerned citizens/ to be a lobby group, let us know and you will find many willing to take up membership.
Educating Our Young In Singapore
Saturday, 13 June, 2009 10:16 PM
To:
reach@reach.gov.sg
| Dear Ministers, Members of Parliament Being a parent I "find" it troubling that MOE lapsed in arresting the bad practices carried out by MOE approved external groups in running its numerous programs. It was not until the AWARE was caught out by parents that MOE came out and spoke out against AWARE and not before. This should not have happened to our young and I belief MOE's internal auditing process is not alert enough or mayhaps have been compromised by liberal minded auditors. Another matter I would like to point out is that I find that the school counselors are not proactive enough in identifying and approaching individual students that are weak in their studies.These days, students spend more time in school than at home "awake" and it's not like parents can use the "stick" like our forefathers and what with much emphasis on using the internet for their school work, parents have not much opportunity to control their children;s computer access. Lastly, I see my kids' schools from primary to secondary are already commonly associated/ blighted as schools with large gay populations. These schools seem to encourage it by doing nothing and this is also where I also feel the school counselors are "wanting" and in dereliction of their duties. Please, being MOE, have a responsibility to the well-being of our young and uphold the family unit and not constantly sweep all problems into the parents' corner. That is a mantra too often used by MOE when unpleasant situations arise. "Now" is not like before and how a child grows and thinks is also much influenced by the MOE's education imperitus, school teachers attitude/ leanings and may I repeat myself, our children spend more time in school than at home "awake' these days. MOE should take heed and ensure that our young are not compromised by individuals infiltrated into MOE and out to convert/subvert their minds and attitudes to the detriment of the majority in society. Thank you. |
Diversity Of Views, ST Biaseness & Nominated MPs
This letter was emailed to our Ministers & MPs on 12.06.09
Diversity Of Views, ST Biaseness & Nominated MPs
Dear Ministers, Members of Parliament,
As a parent, all I want from my kids are that they grow up right and with the right values.
Therefore, it is important that when we talk about diversity, it should not be at the expense of our children being taught values that runs counter to our family values and especially when exposed at such a young age.
In the first place, this has nothing to do with religion and should not be construed as such.
If not for ST being the catalyst, the matter of "diversity of views" issue would not have been blown up such as is the case now and still ongoing. I belief the relevant Ministry/Minister/All concerned MPs such as Mr Sim, should look into ST and its auditing processes and to prevent such matters from repeating itself in the future.
My personal belief is that it is really inadmissible for the Editor, Mr Han, for replying in like manner and for telling off Mr Sim (for want of a better word). As an Editor, I am surprised that he would deny so lamely that his reporters did err in their reporting. Hopefully, our Home Ministry is able to put ST's house in order.
Admittedly, I have never before in my life offered feedbacks to Govt, but, when one sees where our society might be heading, as a concerned parent, I just had to make a stand.
Our society is such that we being asians, generally, do not voice out on any issues unless it affects all. But, in this time and age, I realize that one cannot afford to step aside completely and be silent onlookers. The AWARE issue woke me up from my stupor. If we are not alert, it might be an issue again as those extremely liberal-minded forces, I feel, are more organized, better educated, well-placed in society to force changes at the expense of the majority, if not, quietly, quietly.
This clash of different views (very much on the minds of us concerned parents) comes into the picture when we talk about NMPs. As the Arts are also allotted one or two NMP places, it beggars my mind to think that the Arts scene have put up names of 2 persons known to be extremely liberal-minded. I am hopeful that Govt will be ever vigilant and not again allow the NMP position to be used as a platform to promote negative views and lifestyles. As they say, an opportunity offerred is an opportunity to be taken, just to keep alive an "Agenda" in the eye of the public, the longer the better.
Thank you.
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