REACH BLOG:
Silent Majority
04 Jul 09 , 16:27 PM
Dear All,
It is precisely that this is an open public forum that one has to state a stand clearly and in support of one’s convictions. The notion of civilized debate is noble and applauded but then, this is where things go wrong. How do you define “civilized”? In whose context? It works both ways! One may also be construed as insulting or casting aspersions on the other by politely insinuating that the other party is not civilized in its verbal reply. It is surprising that the recent 7 pages of comments is considered as “uncivil” and not logically debated. Using the example of “Father do the son”, etc” is a powerful, direct and effective way to convey the message in no uncertain terms the implication and seriousness of the “Latter’s” comments in a public forum. Is that considered “uncivil” and illogical?
One does not recall any four letter words being bandied around in the commentaries.
Rightly, this is an open forum and it is polemics you should expect from time to time such as some heated and emotional responses as can be seen from some recent responses in this thread. On the other hand, one also has the right not to reply the other.
The Matter of “Intent”
Past experiences have shown that passivity awards oneself zero points. It only opens oneself to more ingenious and subtle messages and subconscious manipulation as is the case of AWARE where they tried to start their manipulation and subversion of our naïve young from an early age with their pro-LBGT views.
The “latter’s” recent replies to “LEE” questions was considered evasive and unsustainable and pandering to pro-LBGT views even from other forum contributors who were more harsh with their comments. Actually, mine should be considered “soft” compared to the others.
As the “latter” commented, our debate might not even move further than this thread. So what? As long as it’s a public forum and our comments are open for others to read.
Paranoia or suspicion will always abound as all contributors are anonymous but it doesn’t make one out as such because of his/her comments. It’s as the “latter” commented, “I am not from AWARE”. That is what you say now after our replies.
Are these above comments considered civil enough? No sarcasm intended.
A “rumbling” is expected from others if some comments are considered ridiculous from a mature adult. Therefore, it begets paranoia and suspicion from others? This is a serious thread with a serious public issue and when comments are played out like a carousel, it smells of pro-LBGT activism at play. One may be wrong but an opinion is an opinion and who is to say one is being civil or not civil. The pro-LBGT has a huge head start with lobbying and we parents are just starting to wake up from our passivity. But, it doesn’t mean we will act like the “Fish market” AWARE EGM where the pro-LBGT was so “loud”. In the end, we are all anonymous to each other. The others can agree to disagree. After all, we are talking about safeguarding our young and nothing is more important than ensuring that such issues as “anal sex” and pro-LBGT activism in our schools and civil society be vigorously challenged.
Thank you.
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CW
04 Jul 09 , 13:29 PM
Dear All,
I have a suggestion, following a well-written post on accountability. In the event of a reply that you felt was unsatisfactory or insufficient, I would appeal to you to consider writing back a reply to request for greater clarification? This request can be written politely (If you only choose to do so). My opinion is no matter the argument; we must never take the down road of insulting one another. We must strive to be civil.
One part of the post focused on intent:
It is regardless of the intent (if there is any to begin with) of the forum participant. What is important is the discussion that is taking place. So long as both parties have no qualms in debating each other, let them be. What does anyone, including myself, honestly expect when debating here? Do we really believe that just by debating at the “REACH” forum, our views have greater say than other Singaporeans or that the Government would listen here and not elsewhere? The point of any forum is to have a debate. This is an online forum, thus anonymity exist. However, so long we can debate respectfully and logically, I think we need not worry who is on the other side of the screen. The paranoia or suspicion can never truly be put to rest unless all of us were gifted with clairvoyant powers.
Therefore, I hope we can encourage all to participate respectfully and not chastise each other during a debate. Thank you.
Regards,
CW
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Silent Majority
04 Jul 09 , 04:01 AM
Hi All
There is an accountability issue here.
When one debates, it is expected that issues such as found in this thread touches a raw nerve in most people.
That is why when a debate was carried out between 2 parties recently, regular contributors to this thread mostly stood aside and avidly followed the exchanges.
It is only when certain issues raised are answered with unsustainable replies which a mature adult is able to answer without much thought; that makes it more suspicious of the latter's intent.
In view of this, at that point of time it was not being ingracious or impolite barring rudeness if certain comments by the "latter" was answered as such. Emotive surely precisely due to the "Latter's" replies to "LEE's" comments which defies the mind.
If not for the challenges made point for point, forthcoming answers would not have been received. Of course it was only "mussing" but the "latter's" "mussings" was too much.
One has to take note that the “other” side had or are more boorish as compared to us in this thread. We are the sane ones here.
Thank you.
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CW
04 Jul 09 , 00:43 AM
On Redemptive Love:
I am not sure what redemptive love exactly stands for but I have watched the video.
To me, the video did not at all offend me, and I think it is applaud-worthy that such an approach was taken to address the issue. To care for someone throughout, but to not judge was refreshing to me. I personally believe that some homosexuals may not actually be homosexual and may be misguided. I draw a possible example to where homosexuals overly love their idols or mentors, and that contorts their view.
On speaking your mind:
I resolutely respect your right to speak what you believe. Of course, we must be sensitive and not offend others, if the issue is regarding race or religion. On the matter of sexuality, I think homosexuals know full well the stand of many religions.
On Writing Letters to Govt:
I know it is your right to express your view to the administration. However, what scares me is the belief that other side is also “lobbying”. Once both sides share this belief, then a cycle will begin. Back and forth the arguments and accusations will be thrown resulting in nothing. I wish and hope that both sides will sit down and respectfully discuss their views. This should be the true principle and I believe it does not become less worthy even if it takes a longer time.
To clear the air:
1) I’m not from AWARE
2) I never supported the idea of incest (ever!)
3) I withdraw my opinion on the trainer manual. It does play a role.
4) Nobody is impartial, everyone here’s brings an opinion.
5) I was trying to be polite and respectful, not impartial.
Just to share a piece of advice, if you have someone (who often acts as a spokesperson) that chooses to blast off on others whenever he/she sees fit, then your watchdog grouping will be affected. People will not listen and most likely label you group as neurotic and unfriendly. If you wish to make an impact, I think it is logical to learn to communicate to others and debate in a respectful manner.
This post is emotive, because I honestly feel my discussion and my attempt to be polite as well as be respectful was violated. Therefore, my apologies for being emotional.
Thank you for reading.
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CW
03 Jul 09 , 22:22 PM
Dear LEE,
Thank you for being patient. I have reflected on your arguments and wish to share the following.
On Point 2:
My idea of refraining from hurtful words was meant for adults and older teenagers. I am concerned that they might be an at-risk suicide group and I don’t wish to aggravate the situation. When we say children, I am assuming them to be under 16 yrs old, and for this age group, I believe there is no requirement or education needed to mention anything on the homosexuality matter. If the issue arises, I feel parents must take the proactive role to guide their own young on the views of homosexuality. Regardless of the age group, the morality aspect should still be left to parents, and their respective faiths. Every parent should have their right to bring up their children in the manner they see fit.
I watched the Talking Point video (back then), and felt that anal sex should not be promulgated to young children, aged 12. So, I believe no contest on that issue.
On Point 4:
The smoking reference is well-explained, but lacks an important consideration in my view:
Smoking is easily and unanimously agreed by all including scientists and religious scholars to be harmful. The facts and evidence is extremely cut-throat clear that there is no ambiguity. Homosexuality, sadly to say, has not been clearly understood or researched enough. When there is ambiguity, especially on something that can be considered an identity issue, you will naturally have people on both sides who take offense once a premature decision has been made.
BTW, please note you have convinced me to be an individual who knows how to respect other people. Definitely.
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Saturday, July 4, 2009
Remarks by Education Minister on Sexuality Education Programme in Schools
Silent Majority
04 Jul 09 , 03:10 AM
My reply to MOE’s email dated 03.07.09:
Dear Mr Yong
Thank you for your 3rd July, 2009 reply to my email.
I am heartened to hear of MOE's stand and I have seen the latest news that came out of MOE only recently.
These are my comments:
1) On the need of advising how a student should protect oneself in the event of heightened libido, I agree that it should be taught but, I hope that MOE will consider emphasizing the prevention aspect frequently and regularly in such a way as to drum it in the head of our young.
2) It is not without thought that I say this because, if we were to leave it to one chapter and that's it, it's as good as "preaching" to the wall.
3) I would like to state again as in my previous email that these days students tend to spend more time in school and they are not like students of yesteryear. Now, they are so exposed to a wide spectrum of the media daily and also do much school work on the computer such that it is hardly surprising that most parents are unable to influence them as before.
4) Schools being centres of learning, should be the primary source of moral learning and should be part of the yearly general curriculum from day one of school life of a child and there should be weightage applied for the course. Otherwise, the course subject will be considered redundant and a waste of time in the long run by the students. This is important in terms of nation building and maintenance of moral standards.
5) As the recent AWARE saga has shown us all, attempts were made to covertly disseminate and inculcate acceptance of a moral concept not compatible with the mainstream to our young through our educational system. From this incident, MOE should realize the effectiveness of regular moral & civic education. It is regrettable that we parents are now considered supplemental to the teachers in this respect.
6) Schools should be adequately funded so as to ensure this program achieves the required results at the end of a child's school going years.
7) It is hoped that sex education and other programs are properly scrutinized prior to offering to the students.
8) It is also hoped that school teachers and instructors of sex education and other programs are regularly scrutinized thoroughly and also in the way they teach the subjects. This is no nonsensical talk on my part but reflecting a known danger inherent as the 'educators' themselves may be the "wolfe in sheep's clothing" themselves.
9) As parents, seeing so many young ones displaying LBGT tendencies so openly in our schools is quite alarming and your comment and poxition on this aspect is NOT really assuring but rather quite disquieting to us. Therefore, I hope MOE will look further into this matter and provide more comprehensive support to the school counselors in lessening these tendencies and preferences.
10) Finally, I wish that MOE will prevent future "infiltration" of deviant views inconsistent with the mainstream by exhorting Principals and teachers to be vigilant when dispensing their lessons or advice to our young.
Thank you.
04 Jul 09 , 03:10 AM
My reply to MOE’s email dated 03.07.09:
Dear Mr Yong
Thank you for your 3rd July, 2009 reply to my email.
I am heartened to hear of MOE's stand and I have seen the latest news that came out of MOE only recently.
These are my comments:
1) On the need of advising how a student should protect oneself in the event of heightened libido, I agree that it should be taught but, I hope that MOE will consider emphasizing the prevention aspect frequently and regularly in such a way as to drum it in the head of our young.
2) It is not without thought that I say this because, if we were to leave it to one chapter and that's it, it's as good as "preaching" to the wall.
3) I would like to state again as in my previous email that these days students tend to spend more time in school and they are not like students of yesteryear. Now, they are so exposed to a wide spectrum of the media daily and also do much school work on the computer such that it is hardly surprising that most parents are unable to influence them as before.
4) Schools being centres of learning, should be the primary source of moral learning and should be part of the yearly general curriculum from day one of school life of a child and there should be weightage applied for the course. Otherwise, the course subject will be considered redundant and a waste of time in the long run by the students. This is important in terms of nation building and maintenance of moral standards.
5) As the recent AWARE saga has shown us all, attempts were made to covertly disseminate and inculcate acceptance of a moral concept not compatible with the mainstream to our young through our educational system. From this incident, MOE should realize the effectiveness of regular moral & civic education. It is regrettable that we parents are now considered supplemental to the teachers in this respect.
6) Schools should be adequately funded so as to ensure this program achieves the required results at the end of a child's school going years.
7) It is hoped that sex education and other programs are properly scrutinized prior to offering to the students.
8) It is also hoped that school teachers and instructors of sex education and other programs are regularly scrutinized thoroughly and also in the way they teach the subjects. This is no nonsensical talk on my part but reflecting a known danger inherent as the 'educators' themselves may be the "wolfe in sheep's clothing" themselves.
9) As parents, seeing so many young ones displaying LBGT tendencies so openly in our schools is quite alarming and your comment and poxition on this aspect is NOT really assuring but rather quite disquieting to us. Therefore, I hope MOE will look further into this matter and provide more comprehensive support to the school counselors in lessening these tendencies and preferences.
10) Finally, I wish that MOE will prevent future "infiltration" of deviant views inconsistent with the mainstream by exhorting Principals and teachers to be vigilant when dispensing their lessons or advice to our young.
Thank you.
Remarks by Education Minister on Sexuality Education Programme in Schools
REACH BLOG:
Silent Majority
04 Jul 09 , 03:09 AM
Reply from MOE dated 03.07.09 to my email:
We refer to our interim email reply to you dated 15 June 2009.
School Sexuality Education
Minister, in his briefing to the media on 21 May 2009, reiterated the importance of sexuality education. He emphasised that MOE’s sexuality education programme respects the primary role of parents, reflects social norms and reinforces family values which uphold the conventional family as the basic building block of our society. The Ministry of Education (MOE) will be taking steps to enhance and strengthen the delivery of sexuality education in schools.
For full details on Minister’s remarks on sexuality education programmes in schools, you can refer to our website at: http://www.moe.gov.sg/. Details on MOE’s sexuality education programme can be found at the following link:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2009/05/information-sheet-on-ministry.php.
School Counselling
Please allow us to share that teachers interact regularly with students and are able to identify and guide those students who require help in their studies. Teachers may refer to school counsellors those students who require support to overcome social and emotional problems that have hindered their progress in school. Parents who have concerns about their children's school performance or social and emotional well-being may want to discuss them with the relevant teachers or school counsellor. Teacher, counsellor and parent can then collaborate to support the student.
Silent Majority
04 Jul 09 , 03:09 AM
Reply from MOE dated 03.07.09 to my email:
We refer to our interim email reply to you dated 15 June 2009.
School Sexuality Education
Minister, in his briefing to the media on 21 May 2009, reiterated the importance of sexuality education. He emphasised that MOE’s sexuality education programme respects the primary role of parents, reflects social norms and reinforces family values which uphold the conventional family as the basic building block of our society. The Ministry of Education (MOE) will be taking steps to enhance and strengthen the delivery of sexuality education in schools.
For full details on Minister’s remarks on sexuality education programmes in schools, you can refer to our website at: http://www.moe.gov.sg/. Details on MOE’s sexuality education programme can be found at the following link:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2009/05/information-sheet-on-ministry.php.
School Counselling
Please allow us to share that teachers interact regularly with students and are able to identify and guide those students who require help in their studies. Teachers may refer to school counsellors those students who require support to overcome social and emotional problems that have hindered their progress in school. Parents who have concerns about their children's school performance or social and emotional well-being may want to discuss them with the relevant teachers or school counsellor. Teacher, counsellor and parent can then collaborate to support the student.
Tuesday, June 30, 2009
REACH - Diversity Of Views
a good seed
28 Jun 09 , 11:37 AM
Act I (Scene 1) - THE DAY (LUCKILY) THE FENCE DID NOT COME DOWN
Time : The Past; some time in 2007
Place: "Baaliament"; the Main Shed by a riverside on a beautiful tropical island called "Sheepgapore" somewhere above the Equator (One Degree Long. Nineteen Degree Lat.)
The Participants: Baaliament gathering of Good Shepherds (guardians of sheepgapore's population of sheep); unfortunately with members of the Jackals And Wolves Society (JAWS) masquerating as shepherds.
HEAD SHEPHERD: "We are gathered here to formulate plans to keep improving the welfare of our herd in our care. It's sooooooo eeeeeasy controlling the herd as they are all sooooooo timid - always leaving us shepherds to make decisions all the time.
Sadly, we shepherds do make mistakes at times owing to some of our inexperience members asleep on the job or delegating some other shepherds (JAWS) in reality to take charge of the herd. Of course, we know that JAWS exists in our midst and also amongst the herd when they are actually wolves in sheep's clothing).
We must not admit to the herd nor apologise for our inaccurate policies and must not show humility as shepherds are considered soooooo ggggreat less we weaken our hold on the herd. (chorus; from the members present "hear, hear; hear, hear")
Also, we have problems looking for fresh pastures; for newwater for the herd as the current grazing areas are about barren and the search has got to be relentless.
Planning new fighting techniques for our guard dogs in the protection of the herd from dangers lurking amongst them; especially preventing JAWS infiltrating, capturing and taking over control of Baaliament.
"The infiltrated JAWS in Baaliament (disguised as shepherds) have even proposed that we good shepherds all agree to take the fence down so that the herd can roam easily across the wide expanse of the island in search of more clean water and greener pastures.
These JAWS members are like cunning serpents. We good shepherds must stay guarded at all times to prevent their taking over control of Baaliament.
Almost all of our wise and good shepherds in Baaliament are against the idea of taking the fence down as this can also let in the wolf pack waiting outside the fencing; patiently with salivating jaws; ever ready to pounce on each and every one of the innocent herd - the very young and old.
The good shepherds in Baaliament argued that if the fence is taken down; the wolf pack would then make short work of the whole herd as soon as the fence is taken down and a bloody massacre of the herd and even the good shepherds, is inevitable.
Therefore, we good shepherds have a sacred duty in protecting our herd and maintain a constant vigilance all through the years to rid JAWS of their evil intentions for the welfare of the whole herd on our beautiful island of Sheepgapore.
GOOD SHEPHERDS, REMEMBER ALWAYS:
"DON'T EVER TAKE A FENCE DOWN UNTIL YOU KNOW THE REASON IT WAS PUT UP".
Good Shepherds (all in unison "hear hear; hear hear") and thus, the meeting ended.
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ACT I (SCENE 2) - THE MEETING - IT'S CALLED MUTATION
The Time : The Present
The Place: A deep underground secret lair on a famous island resort, just above the Equator (One Degree Ninety)
The Participants: Gathering of the Jackals and Wolves Society (JAWS)
(Above the din of howling, pawing, jumping up and down and banging on the walls of the lair):
JAWS' Secretary: "Order, order. Stop howling, jumping and banging. This is our JAWS' meeting, not the AWARE's EGM (met with more howling, jumping and banging on the lair' walls, this time even more deafening).
Meeting has now started to report our pack's progress since JAWS got clobbered in the 2007 Baaliament; cancellation of JAWS' subsequent beach party when we were exposed by some very smart sheep who complained to their good shepherds of our evil intentions and the now infamous AWARE saga.
The good news is we, JAWS at our recent clandestine meeting, decided to change tactic (yes, IT'S CALLED MUTATION)immediately and fooled everyone, yes, even fooling the good shepherds and their guard dogs by holding a so-called family fun party gathering on the island resort, oooooops I mean our lair (more howling, pawing and banging on walls..) with free entrance, plenty of fresh green grass with lots and lots of clean water.
Fortunately these sheep (young and old), the good shepherds and their guard dogs never stop to think for an instant that all these free facilities are big moneys paid and solely funded by members of JAWS. It was worth every $ spent by our JAWS society; just to smell and lick the nice clean coats of the young sheep and devouring some of them when they were too intoxicated to resist (with our hoard of booze) after the good shepherds and their guard dogs left the party early.
We JAWS believe if the means justify the ends, every $ spent was worth it (more howling and banging on walls..)The whole sheep on the resort had forgotton what their MM Good Shepherd had repeatedly advised:
"NOTHING IS FOR FREE IN THE WORLD".
28 Jun 09 , 11:37 AM
Act I (Scene 1) - THE DAY (LUCKILY) THE FENCE DID NOT COME DOWN
Time : The Past; some time in 2007
Place: "Baaliament"; the Main Shed by a riverside on a beautiful tropical island called "Sheepgapore" somewhere above the Equator (One Degree Long. Nineteen Degree Lat.)
The Participants: Baaliament gathering of Good Shepherds (guardians of sheepgapore's population of sheep); unfortunately with members of the Jackals And Wolves Society (JAWS) masquerating as shepherds.
HEAD SHEPHERD: "We are gathered here to formulate plans to keep improving the welfare of our herd in our care. It's sooooooo eeeeeasy controlling the herd as they are all sooooooo timid - always leaving us shepherds to make decisions all the time.
Sadly, we shepherds do make mistakes at times owing to some of our inexperience members asleep on the job or delegating some other shepherds (JAWS) in reality to take charge of the herd. Of course, we know that JAWS exists in our midst and also amongst the herd when they are actually wolves in sheep's clothing).
We must not admit to the herd nor apologise for our inaccurate policies and must not show humility as shepherds are considered soooooo ggggreat less we weaken our hold on the herd. (chorus; from the members present "hear, hear; hear, hear")
Also, we have problems looking for fresh pastures; for newwater for the herd as the current grazing areas are about barren and the search has got to be relentless.
Planning new fighting techniques for our guard dogs in the protection of the herd from dangers lurking amongst them; especially preventing JAWS infiltrating, capturing and taking over control of Baaliament.
"The infiltrated JAWS in Baaliament (disguised as shepherds) have even proposed that we good shepherds all agree to take the fence down so that the herd can roam easily across the wide expanse of the island in search of more clean water and greener pastures.
These JAWS members are like cunning serpents. We good shepherds must stay guarded at all times to prevent their taking over control of Baaliament.
Almost all of our wise and good shepherds in Baaliament are against the idea of taking the fence down as this can also let in the wolf pack waiting outside the fencing; patiently with salivating jaws; ever ready to pounce on each and every one of the innocent herd - the very young and old.
The good shepherds in Baaliament argued that if the fence is taken down; the wolf pack would then make short work of the whole herd as soon as the fence is taken down and a bloody massacre of the herd and even the good shepherds, is inevitable.
Therefore, we good shepherds have a sacred duty in protecting our herd and maintain a constant vigilance all through the years to rid JAWS of their evil intentions for the welfare of the whole herd on our beautiful island of Sheepgapore.
GOOD SHEPHERDS, REMEMBER ALWAYS:
"DON'T EVER TAKE A FENCE DOWN UNTIL YOU KNOW THE REASON IT WAS PUT UP".
Good Shepherds (all in unison "hear hear; hear hear") and thus, the meeting ended.
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ACT I (SCENE 2) - THE MEETING - IT'S CALLED MUTATION
The Time : The Present
The Place: A deep underground secret lair on a famous island resort, just above the Equator (One Degree Ninety)
The Participants: Gathering of the Jackals and Wolves Society (JAWS)
(Above the din of howling, pawing, jumping up and down and banging on the walls of the lair):
JAWS' Secretary: "Order, order. Stop howling, jumping and banging. This is our JAWS' meeting, not the AWARE's EGM (met with more howling, jumping and banging on the lair' walls, this time even more deafening).
Meeting has now started to report our pack's progress since JAWS got clobbered in the 2007 Baaliament; cancellation of JAWS' subsequent beach party when we were exposed by some very smart sheep who complained to their good shepherds of our evil intentions and the now infamous AWARE saga.
The good news is we, JAWS at our recent clandestine meeting, decided to change tactic (yes, IT'S CALLED MUTATION)immediately and fooled everyone, yes, even fooling the good shepherds and their guard dogs by holding a so-called family fun party gathering on the island resort, oooooops I mean our lair (more howling, pawing and banging on walls..) with free entrance, plenty of fresh green grass with lots and lots of clean water.
Fortunately these sheep (young and old), the good shepherds and their guard dogs never stop to think for an instant that all these free facilities are big moneys paid and solely funded by members of JAWS. It was worth every $ spent by our JAWS society; just to smell and lick the nice clean coats of the young sheep and devouring some of them when they were too intoxicated to resist (with our hoard of booze) after the good shepherds and their guard dogs left the party early.
We JAWS believe if the means justify the ends, every $ spent was worth it (more howling and banging on walls..)The whole sheep on the resort had forgotton what their MM Good Shepherd had repeatedly advised:
"NOTHING IS FOR FREE IN THE WORLD".
Topic - Media Objectivity
Hi All,
This is was a posting from LIFE Correspondent John Lui "Get Your Values Out of my face". Although Lui's article was not printed on the paper, it was posted on the ST Online Blog under ST LIFE CORRESPONDENT.
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John Lui
Life! Correspondent
Get your values out of my face
May 08, 2009 Friday, 11:42 AM
John Lui shares his views on the Aware saga.
________________________________________
"GET your values out of my elite uncaring face"
If there is one lesson that the Aware saga has proven yet again, it is that parents have an inflated sense of their own worth in society.
I am not married and do not have children and it has irritated me for a long time that mothers and fathers like to excuse their incredibly selfish behaviour by saying "it's for the sake of the kids".
The group of pro-values parents who object to a factual and comprehensive sex eduation programme should be reminded that their little darlings belong to the same society that I do.
If these little angels as a result of ignorant fornication foist little bundles of joy on society and its taxpayers, I for one will be more than a little displeased.
In my eyes, having teenagers with fully functioning reproductive organs and not being able to control them is similar to owning a pit bull with big teeth and not putting it on a leash. Both creatures are hazards to other people.
If you tell me that your pit bull's fondness for sinking his fangs into people is "a private matter between a dog and his owner", I would tell you to grow a brain, you selfish, ignorant fool.
And if you campaign to keep leashes off dangerous dogs, then you are more than a fool, you are a menace to society.
Your right to keep your pet unrestrained ends where the skin of my leg begins.
Your rights to keep your child ignorant about sex ends where my tax dollars start to fund public medical programmes for STDs, juvenile delinquency schemes and prisons for people screwed up by being born to poor teenage mothers.
In the pages of The Straits Times over the last four weeks, we have seen upper-middle class professionals, driven by private religious impulses, strive to change public education policy.
People from well-off, educated families are the ones who are statistically the least likely to suffer from the problems of teen pregnancy and STDs. Yet they feel driven to restrict sex education for the people who need it most: Teens from lower-income families.
But it makes sense. After all, the harm that these well-meaning people could cause will never affect them directly. They get to feel holy but will never experience the misery born of their actions.
Singapore was born of pragmatism. Legalised prostitution protects women in the sex trade from pimps. No-one likes prostitution but greater misery comes from driving it underground.
Teenage sexual behaviour is a public health issue, like swine flu or dengue fever.
The next time someone tells me that sex education is a private matter between a parent and his child, I will tell him that in return, I will make open containers filled with stagnant water a private matter between myself and the stuff I keep on my property.
This is was a posting from LIFE Correspondent John Lui "Get Your Values Out of my face". Although Lui's article was not printed on the paper, it was posted on the ST Online Blog under ST LIFE CORRESPONDENT.
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John Lui
Life! Correspondent
Get your values out of my face
May 08, 2009 Friday, 11:42 AM
John Lui shares his views on the Aware saga.
________________________________________
"GET your values out of my elite uncaring face"
If there is one lesson that the Aware saga has proven yet again, it is that parents have an inflated sense of their own worth in society.
I am not married and do not have children and it has irritated me for a long time that mothers and fathers like to excuse their incredibly selfish behaviour by saying "it's for the sake of the kids".
The group of pro-values parents who object to a factual and comprehensive sex eduation programme should be reminded that their little darlings belong to the same society that I do.
If these little angels as a result of ignorant fornication foist little bundles of joy on society and its taxpayers, I for one will be more than a little displeased.
In my eyes, having teenagers with fully functioning reproductive organs and not being able to control them is similar to owning a pit bull with big teeth and not putting it on a leash. Both creatures are hazards to other people.
If you tell me that your pit bull's fondness for sinking his fangs into people is "a private matter between a dog and his owner", I would tell you to grow a brain, you selfish, ignorant fool.
And if you campaign to keep leashes off dangerous dogs, then you are more than a fool, you are a menace to society.
Your right to keep your pet unrestrained ends where the skin of my leg begins.
Your rights to keep your child ignorant about sex ends where my tax dollars start to fund public medical programmes for STDs, juvenile delinquency schemes and prisons for people screwed up by being born to poor teenage mothers.
In the pages of The Straits Times over the last four weeks, we have seen upper-middle class professionals, driven by private religious impulses, strive to change public education policy.
People from well-off, educated families are the ones who are statistically the least likely to suffer from the problems of teen pregnancy and STDs. Yet they feel driven to restrict sex education for the people who need it most: Teens from lower-income families.
But it makes sense. After all, the harm that these well-meaning people could cause will never affect them directly. They get to feel holy but will never experience the misery born of their actions.
Singapore was born of pragmatism. Legalised prostitution protects women in the sex trade from pimps. No-one likes prostitution but greater misery comes from driving it underground.
Teenage sexual behaviour is a public health issue, like swine flu or dengue fever.
The next time someone tells me that sex education is a private matter between a parent and his child, I will tell him that in return, I will make open containers filled with stagnant water a private matter between myself and the stuff I keep on my property.
Topic - Media Objectivity
AWARE’s CHARTER OF COMPASSION
LEE
16 Jun 09 , 09:57 AM
Hello everyone
Re: Founding fathers of Aware’s New Charter for Compassion mentioned in ST article on June 14.
This is a SUMMARY ALL 4 persons mentioned in ST article on Aware’s New Charter of Compassion. I have done more homework on Mr. Alvin Tan and Mr. Jolovan Wham, the other 2 persons (Karen Armstrong & Tan Chong Kee) .
I quote from the ST article:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_390091.html
""Ms Yap hopes to establish a Singapore chapter of the Charter, started by British author and religious scholar (1) Karen Armstrong.
Its other founding members include San Francisco-based (2) Dr Tan Chong Kee, who founded the now defunct online forum, Sintercom;
(3) Mr Alvin Tan, artistic director of theatre group The Necessary Stage; and(4) Mr Jolovan Wham, executive director of transient worker help group, Humanitarian Organisation for Migration Economics (Home).
Ms Armstrong, who wrote seminal works like A History Of God and The Battle For God, launched the charter to promote a more harmonious world through compassion - a core principle in every religion."" UNQUOTE
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1) My research on Karen Armstrong
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong/dp/0345391691/ref=bxgy_cc_b_text_a/177-7447274-8908124
Quote: Former nun and A History of God iconoclast Armstrong delves deeply once again into the often violent histories of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, this time exploring the rise of fundamentalist enclaves in all three religions. . Even Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism have developed fundamentalist factions. Reacting to a technologically driven world with liberal Western values, fundamentalists have not only increased in numbers…. Armstrong sensitively recognizes one of fundamentalism's great ironies: though they ostensibly seek to restore a displaced, mythical spiritual foundation, fundamentalists often re-establish that foundation using profoundly secular, pseudo-scientific means ("creation science" is a prime example)
Reacting to a technologically driven world with liberal Western values, fundamentalists have not only increased in numbers, they have become more desperate, claims Armstrong, who points to the Oklahoma City bombing, violent anti-abortion crusades, and the assassination of President Yitzak Rabin as evidence of dangerous extremes. "
Unquote.
2) About Tan Chong Kee
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2005/08/01/1464.tan-chong-kee
People
1 Aug 2005
tan chong kee
by Sylvia Tan
Fridae speaks to Dr Tan Chong Kee, Singapore's best-known figure in civil society activism, about his upcoming talk on Aug 2 which challenges the notion that same-sex love is contrary to Asian values. Currently the Chairman of non-profit theatre company, The Necessary Stage, the 42-year-old also holds a Ph.D. in Chinese Literature from Stanford University in the United States.
Tan Chong Kee…
'Same-Sex Love In Classical Chinese Literature' (in Mandarin) will be held on .. pm as part of IndigNation, Singapore's first Pride month. The series of events is held in "response to the unreasonable ban on parties for gays and lesbians and heavy censorship of publications serving this community."
3) About Mr. Alvin Tan of Necessary Stage:
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2003/07/02/839.spores-necessary-stage-to-present-mardi-gras
Article: Entertainment - 2 Jul 2003
Spore's necessary stage to present 'mardi gras' by News Editor
Singapore theatre company, The Necessary Stage, will stage “MARDI GRAS”, a play about A GROUP OF PEOPLE WANTING TO ORGANISE SINGAPORE’S FIRST PRIDE PARADE. Unquote. (note: Go to the link. look at the photo “we are here..we are queen…we’re..so in trouble)
4) About Mr. Jolovan Wham - he participated in a forum for human rights. However, it seems he spoke on issues of the homeless and migrant workers. But take a look at the other speakers in this forum.
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/articleAseanHRForum.html
SINGAPORE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Singaporeans come together to form group for human rights
24 Sep 07
At a forum held at the Allson Hotel yesterday, a group of Singaporeans came together to push for human rights in Singapore.
Moderator MR ALEX AU, WRITER AND GAY RIGHTS ACTIVIST, kicked off the session by explaining how ASEAN had agreed to include a segment in its charter that promised to respect the rights of its peoples. This came about after years of engagement with civil societies within and outside of ASEAN. UNQUOTE
Actually I was waiting and hoping for someone to do the “research” on Alvin Tan and Jolovan Wham since I already covered Armstrong and Tan Chong Kee. This has been very time consuming for me so I hope you will not let the efforts go to waste.
I am in the midst of writing my letter to the PM, Ministers, MPs, MUIS and MOE. Remember I AM BUT ONE VOICE. So everyone, PLEASE DO YOUR PART PEACEFULLY by writing, forwarding and informing the Ministries and the public.
My advice to everyone is to be more investigative and be pro active when you read something of concern. Find out more through the Net so there are facts and evidence that can be substantiated and share it with us. No need to get all panicky, just share what you have and the facts will speak for themselves. Besides waiting for someone to organize a society, I encourage you to investigate further on all articles mentioned in ST and post it here. That’s more fruitful than waiting for ST to “change”..
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LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:24 AM
……ST insists they have been impartial and professional. So, if ST were to print future articles on Aware’s charter of compassion, will they use their sensational headlines only to highlight what they wish the public to read and dismiss the other important facts the way they did with the CSE issue? Are they going to have breathless coverage and inform the public that these founding members are pluralists who think that any religious citizens speaking up against moral values are denounced as religious fundamentalists? Are they going to splash that poster on the “Mardi Gras” play that was put up Necessary stage? That poster with a practically naked gay with captions “We’re here, we’re Queen, We’re …soooo in trouble”? http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2003/07/02/839.spores-necessary-stage-to-present-mardi-gras
(Those who don’t know what I am talking about, please go to my posting on June 16 09.57am regarding the background of the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion.)
Will ST splash that gay mardi gras poster in the paper the way they splashed Dr. Thio’s photo? I have many friends who told me Dr THIO’S PHOTO IN THE ST WAS LARGER THAN MAS SELAMAT OR ANY PHOTO OF OUR PRIME MINISTER. Unfortunately I missed that.
True Objectivity means the public must have ALL the necessary knowledge about an issue before they can discern for themselves. The only way for adults to “filter” the information is when they are provided with all the facts.
….So don’t worry “CW”, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s new charter of compassion, then individuals like yourself should have nothing to worry about all this information being shared to the public. If this charter isn’t another disguise by Aware for gay activists to push their agenda onto mainstream society, then you have nothing to be concerned about.. Just let the public have all the necessary facts about the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion so they can decide for themselves.
I stated in my earlier posting 16 June 10.02am that everyone is entitled to share their views in our secular state. Aware shares theirs and so should we. Fair and square. But we object when the so called All Inclusives say their views can be included in secular space but ours has to be excluded. We object to our national news media excluding the concerns of parents and citizens until we had to petition, write online letters, mass emails to get MOE to investigate Aware’s Controversial CSE Trainer’s Manual. If ST had really been impartial, all these “actions” would not have been necessary. We have now lost the confidence that ST will be impartial when reporting about activities that deal with moral issues.
Was there a need for Aware to be so secretive and adamant about their confidential manual if there was nothing wrong? So, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s New Charter of Compassion, then there’s nothing wrong in SHARING this information on public space.
Now concerned parents and citizens have to do more investigative work. I save myself close to $320 on one year’s subscription of ST’s print edition. Better to give this to the more needy.
LEE
16 Jun 09 , 09:57 AM
Hello everyone
Re: Founding fathers of Aware’s New Charter for Compassion mentioned in ST article on June 14.
This is a SUMMARY ALL 4 persons mentioned in ST article on Aware’s New Charter of Compassion. I have done more homework on Mr. Alvin Tan and Mr. Jolovan Wham, the other 2 persons (Karen Armstrong & Tan Chong Kee) .
I quote from the ST article:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_390091.html
""Ms Yap hopes to establish a Singapore chapter of the Charter, started by British author and religious scholar (1) Karen Armstrong.
Its other founding members include San Francisco-based (2) Dr Tan Chong Kee, who founded the now defunct online forum, Sintercom;
(3) Mr Alvin Tan, artistic director of theatre group The Necessary Stage; and(4) Mr Jolovan Wham, executive director of transient worker help group, Humanitarian Organisation for Migration Economics (Home).
Ms Armstrong, who wrote seminal works like A History Of God and The Battle For God, launched the charter to promote a more harmonious world through compassion - a core principle in every religion."" UNQUOTE
------
1) My research on Karen Armstrong
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong/dp/0345391691/ref=bxgy_cc_b_text_a/177-7447274-8908124
Quote: Former nun and A History of God iconoclast Armstrong delves deeply once again into the often violent histories of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, this time exploring the rise of fundamentalist enclaves in all three religions. . Even Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism have developed fundamentalist factions. Reacting to a technologically driven world with liberal Western values, fundamentalists have not only increased in numbers…. Armstrong sensitively recognizes one of fundamentalism's great ironies: though they ostensibly seek to restore a displaced, mythical spiritual foundation, fundamentalists often re-establish that foundation using profoundly secular, pseudo-scientific means ("creation science" is a prime example)
Reacting to a technologically driven world with liberal Western values, fundamentalists have not only increased in numbers, they have become more desperate, claims Armstrong, who points to the Oklahoma City bombing, violent anti-abortion crusades, and the assassination of President Yitzak Rabin as evidence of dangerous extremes. "
Unquote.
2) About Tan Chong Kee
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2005/08/01/1464.tan-chong-kee
People
1 Aug 2005
tan chong kee
by Sylvia Tan
Fridae speaks to Dr Tan Chong Kee, Singapore's best-known figure in civil society activism, about his upcoming talk on Aug 2 which challenges the notion that same-sex love is contrary to Asian values. Currently the Chairman of non-profit theatre company, The Necessary Stage, the 42-year-old also holds a Ph.D. in Chinese Literature from Stanford University in the United States.
Tan Chong Kee…
'Same-Sex Love In Classical Chinese Literature' (in Mandarin) will be held on .. pm as part of IndigNation, Singapore's first Pride month. The series of events is held in "response to the unreasonable ban on parties for gays and lesbians and heavy censorship of publications serving this community."
3) About Mr. Alvin Tan of Necessary Stage:
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2003/07/02/839.spores-necessary-stage-to-present-mardi-gras
Article: Entertainment - 2 Jul 2003
Spore's necessary stage to present 'mardi gras' by News Editor
Singapore theatre company, The Necessary Stage, will stage “MARDI GRAS”, a play about A GROUP OF PEOPLE WANTING TO ORGANISE SINGAPORE’S FIRST PRIDE PARADE. Unquote. (note: Go to the link. look at the photo “we are here..we are queen…we’re..so in trouble)
4) About Mr. Jolovan Wham - he participated in a forum for human rights. However, it seems he spoke on issues of the homeless and migrant workers. But take a look at the other speakers in this forum.
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/articleAseanHRForum.html
SINGAPORE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Singaporeans come together to form group for human rights
24 Sep 07
At a forum held at the Allson Hotel yesterday, a group of Singaporeans came together to push for human rights in Singapore.
Moderator MR ALEX AU, WRITER AND GAY RIGHTS ACTIVIST, kicked off the session by explaining how ASEAN had agreed to include a segment in its charter that promised to respect the rights of its peoples. This came about after years of engagement with civil societies within and outside of ASEAN. UNQUOTE
Actually I was waiting and hoping for someone to do the “research” on Alvin Tan and Jolovan Wham since I already covered Armstrong and Tan Chong Kee. This has been very time consuming for me so I hope you will not let the efforts go to waste.
I am in the midst of writing my letter to the PM, Ministers, MPs, MUIS and MOE. Remember I AM BUT ONE VOICE. So everyone, PLEASE DO YOUR PART PEACEFULLY by writing, forwarding and informing the Ministries and the public.
My advice to everyone is to be more investigative and be pro active when you read something of concern. Find out more through the Net so there are facts and evidence that can be substantiated and share it with us. No need to get all panicky, just share what you have and the facts will speak for themselves. Besides waiting for someone to organize a society, I encourage you to investigate further on all articles mentioned in ST and post it here. That’s more fruitful than waiting for ST to “change”..
----
LEE
17 Jun 09 , 09:24 AM
……ST insists they have been impartial and professional. So, if ST were to print future articles on Aware’s charter of compassion, will they use their sensational headlines only to highlight what they wish the public to read and dismiss the other important facts the way they did with the CSE issue? Are they going to have breathless coverage and inform the public that these founding members are pluralists who think that any religious citizens speaking up against moral values are denounced as religious fundamentalists? Are they going to splash that poster on the “Mardi Gras” play that was put up Necessary stage? That poster with a practically naked gay with captions “We’re here, we’re Queen, We’re …soooo in trouble”? http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2003/07/02/839.spores-necessary-stage-to-present-mardi-gras
(Those who don’t know what I am talking about, please go to my posting on June 16 09.57am regarding the background of the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion.)
Will ST splash that gay mardi gras poster in the paper the way they splashed Dr. Thio’s photo? I have many friends who told me Dr THIO’S PHOTO IN THE ST WAS LARGER THAN MAS SELAMAT OR ANY PHOTO OF OUR PRIME MINISTER. Unfortunately I missed that.
True Objectivity means the public must have ALL the necessary knowledge about an issue before they can discern for themselves. The only way for adults to “filter” the information is when they are provided with all the facts.
….So don’t worry “CW”, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s new charter of compassion, then individuals like yourself should have nothing to worry about all this information being shared to the public. If this charter isn’t another disguise by Aware for gay activists to push their agenda onto mainstream society, then you have nothing to be concerned about.. Just let the public have all the necessary facts about the 4 founding members of Aware’s charter of compassion so they can decide for themselves.
I stated in my earlier posting 16 June 10.02am that everyone is entitled to share their views in our secular state. Aware shares theirs and so should we. Fair and square. But we object when the so called All Inclusives say their views can be included in secular space but ours has to be excluded. We object to our national news media excluding the concerns of parents and citizens until we had to petition, write online letters, mass emails to get MOE to investigate Aware’s Controversial CSE Trainer’s Manual. If ST had really been impartial, all these “actions” would not have been necessary. We have now lost the confidence that ST will be impartial when reporting about activities that deal with moral issues.
Was there a need for Aware to be so secretive and adamant about their confidential manual if there was nothing wrong? So, if there is no hidden agenda or disguise behind Aware’s New Charter of Compassion, then there’s nothing wrong in SHARING this information on public space.
Now concerned parents and citizens have to do more investigative work. I save myself close to $320 on one year’s subscription of ST’s print edition. Better to give this to the more needy.
Monday, June 29, 2009
REACH BLOG - 29 Jun 09 , 22:40 PM
Silent Majority
“CW”,
Although you posted your comments to LEE, I have some very strong views of my own and decided to comment on what you said. I hope others will follow suit since this is public space."
In your postings on 28 Jun 09 , 14:44 PM you were asked:
1) What are your PERSONAL views about constant acts of anal sex in homosexuality?
You replied: “I don’t have a personal view or stand on it as I have not been a participant in anal sex. However, I think the decision is private to the individuals. Mind you, anal sex is not restrictive to homosexuality. Heterosexuals can choose to do so. So long as both are consenting adults, and both register the risks and are willing to be responsible for their actions, I think it is ok.
Answer:
For a person who showed so much conviction about LBGT, it is unlike you to have no personal view or stand. It’s like telling another adult, I will have to participate in killing a person before I make a stand on my personal views.
You either agree it is “okay” or “not okay” to have “anal sex”. You are conveniently sitting on the fence with your reply.
Since you brought up about “Consenting”, Homosexuality has always been around Asian culture. Nobody in this thread denies that. NO issue here.
You also said “Anal sex, is a private act, thus everybody will come to their own decision on it. I will not put it to the subject of morality, as everybody will have different degrees of belief and will make their own decisions on the matter.”
Answer:
Ha! CW! I completely agree with you that it is private, as Asian society in general has always seen it that way for hundreds of years. Good that you agree it is a PRIVATE ACT. Also, NO issue here.
The core issue is whether society in general agrees with it and they do NOT. Society in general frowns upon it. But, unfortunately, most in society are passive on-lookers. As long as LBGT do not cross the line. That is fine with society. No argument from you can support it.
Even in USA, there is a swelling of public opinion against it. The Europeans, they are the root of many ills in this world. Mostly, faults of old world politics and still playing the same game.
INDEED, it IS All About MORALITY. No society can survive without upholding their morality. That is why when young, your parents teach you not to kill etc. Didn’t you learnt of ancient Roman society where Morality degenerated into permissive actions like debauchery, anal sex, etc, Society will fail in the long run.
Imagine, with your meaning of freedom of choice, and independence of action, next you’ll see the father “do” the son, mother “do” the son, father “do” the daughter.
This is individual independence you are proscribing as your comments goes. That is what will happen when society is bereft of a set of Moral values/ Core values to uphold. As in Holland, you can’t stop your daughter from becoming a prostitute.
Truly, do you think that “daughter” being an individual, wants to be a prostitute? And if you try me with “Freedom of choice” that means you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. A typical mantra of those who supports LBGT. I have worked with them and I tell you this, none wants to be one but only due to economic necessities.
You are clearly either a consenting partner or a pro-LBGT. This is all wayang kulit from you.
2) When asked whether you thought anal sex is unhealthy. You said “On whether it is unhealthy? I know from fact that it carries a larger risk of contracting HIV. However, that is applicable to those who have multiple sexual partners or those come in contact with HIV positive partners. If the act is between a monogamous and committed couple, the risks can be mitigated.”
Answer:
Good that you agree it carries a larger risk of contracting HIV. But, that’s the point. It boils down to Morality.
If it is to be based on the individual rights of a person/ couple as is your stand in all your comments, to do it freely and without fear or favour, where is the “Accountability” to the majority. Individual rights in Asian society entails some responsibility towards the majority. What you are constantly espousing in your “musings” is western concepts which are now undeniably slowly being overturned by a more vocal majority in their midst.
It’s a fallacy on your part if you deny that the minority in the West has been using all sorts of leverages and lobbying and discreet actions to get the recognition that they wanted, but, at what cost. Promiscuity, loose morals? Is that the way you want Singapore to go? Whatever your arguments you proffer will not hold water but only a “wayang kulit” because to you, as long as at the end of the day, your actions meets your aims.
3) When asked whether you felt anal sex is natural. You said “On whether it is natural? The word natural would, for me, draw a relation to reproduction. In this case, anal sex is not reproductive hence unnatural. However, I would not use “unnatural” to slant the term “anal sex” as the act is practiced in private. It serves no purpose unless the discussion was about reproduction.”
Answer:
Hello, if “CW” you still can’t see from the forest to the trees that “anal sex” is unnatural, you are either unnatural or just want to win the argument regardless of the natural order. There is no other interpretation or to put it in local jargon, “play backside”. Then, again, what is stopping the Father “do” the son, mother “do” the son, father “do” the daughter. That’s natural? No need to “slant” the term.
Let’s not continue playing with words here. You are evading a direct answer and the issue. Your anus was not meant for sex but for relieving yourself. Again you are playing with words, evading all the core issues and divert from answering directly.
My question to you : Is having “anal sex” natural? Do you think having your anus penetrated on a regular basis is natural? Don’t use the excuse that you don’t indulge in anal sex so you can comment. I don’t need to eat excrement to tell you it tastes bad.
4) “CW”, On being asked if you have watched the testimony of Christopher and Victor on http://christopheryuanvideo.blogspot.com/
You said : ”Not yet, but will do. Need Time. “
Answer:
If you are as impartial as what you try to portray, you would have seen it long time ago. Surprised you haven’t even watched it. If that’s the case, you really, really have lost the moral ground as your arguments are not impartial but evasive and suggestive towards pro-LBGT activism. Or perhaps you come from a background where no one taught you about morals and so this word is alien to you.
5) “CW”, you were asked if “Do you agree that Aware's CSE programme should have been suspended?”
You said: “…Yes, I believe it should be suspended. However, once the programme is refined to better reflect the necessary tones of society, it can request for the suspension to be lifted (subject to vetting and approval). ….I am not interested in the trainers’ manual, I am more interested in what was taught.”
Answer:
AWARE has rightly lost it’s moral authority by still standing by its position and no manner of ‘cosmetic’ application is going to change people’s mindset.
You are kidding if you think that the “trainer’s manual” is not important. It guides the “instructor” in formulating answers to the ‘students”. There have been comments by parents that said that the “instructors” themselves were pushing the line.
You should know that, recently, at a blogsite, a video clearly showed one of your AWARE “overseas” instructors trying to push their LBGT interpretations down the throat of a parent who was not convinced at all. Again, don’t tell me that you did not watch it. Then, how are you going to debate if you don’t watch something that you do not agree with. Again “wayang kulit”
Let’s talk about now. It’s very fine and noble that MOE should instruct the school counselors to do more but this is where they HAVE done so by “Outsourcing” them. But, you and AWARE and cohorts made slight of and took advantage of the people’s sincerity, ignorance, passivity and trust.
You don’t teach our “Young” that “anal sex” is normal and natural. It should not even be in the CSE. Unfortunately, CSE was taken directly from SIECUS, an organization from the USA or other, which are pro-LBGT as is AWARE (whom have stated their stance on this very clearly)
This is where the pro-LBGT took advantage to inveigle their agenda into the CSE to promulgate their views by trying to influence our “Children” at a very young age.
It is due to militant, aggressive and discreet actions such as by AWARE and it’s cohorts that brought out the “awareness” of the gravity of the danger to our young on how much MINORITY activism has secreted and permeated itself into our society through the Arts, Media, so-called NGOs & in Govt.
YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED!!! WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING!!!
“CW”,
Although you posted your comments to LEE, I have some very strong views of my own and decided to comment on what you said. I hope others will follow suit since this is public space."
In your postings on 28 Jun 09 , 14:44 PM you were asked:
1) What are your PERSONAL views about constant acts of anal sex in homosexuality?
You replied: “I don’t have a personal view or stand on it as I have not been a participant in anal sex. However, I think the decision is private to the individuals. Mind you, anal sex is not restrictive to homosexuality. Heterosexuals can choose to do so. So long as both are consenting adults, and both register the risks and are willing to be responsible for their actions, I think it is ok.
Answer:
For a person who showed so much conviction about LBGT, it is unlike you to have no personal view or stand. It’s like telling another adult, I will have to participate in killing a person before I make a stand on my personal views.
You either agree it is “okay” or “not okay” to have “anal sex”. You are conveniently sitting on the fence with your reply.
Since you brought up about “Consenting”, Homosexuality has always been around Asian culture. Nobody in this thread denies that. NO issue here.
You also said “Anal sex, is a private act, thus everybody will come to their own decision on it. I will not put it to the subject of morality, as everybody will have different degrees of belief and will make their own decisions on the matter.”
Answer:
Ha! CW! I completely agree with you that it is private, as Asian society in general has always seen it that way for hundreds of years. Good that you agree it is a PRIVATE ACT. Also, NO issue here.
The core issue is whether society in general agrees with it and they do NOT. Society in general frowns upon it. But, unfortunately, most in society are passive on-lookers. As long as LBGT do not cross the line. That is fine with society. No argument from you can support it.
Even in USA, there is a swelling of public opinion against it. The Europeans, they are the root of many ills in this world. Mostly, faults of old world politics and still playing the same game.
INDEED, it IS All About MORALITY. No society can survive without upholding their morality. That is why when young, your parents teach you not to kill etc. Didn’t you learnt of ancient Roman society where Morality degenerated into permissive actions like debauchery, anal sex, etc, Society will fail in the long run.
Imagine, with your meaning of freedom of choice, and independence of action, next you’ll see the father “do” the son, mother “do” the son, father “do” the daughter.
This is individual independence you are proscribing as your comments goes. That is what will happen when society is bereft of a set of Moral values/ Core values to uphold. As in Holland, you can’t stop your daughter from becoming a prostitute.
Truly, do you think that “daughter” being an individual, wants to be a prostitute? And if you try me with “Freedom of choice” that means you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. A typical mantra of those who supports LBGT. I have worked with them and I tell you this, none wants to be one but only due to economic necessities.
You are clearly either a consenting partner or a pro-LBGT. This is all wayang kulit from you.
2) When asked whether you thought anal sex is unhealthy. You said “On whether it is unhealthy? I know from fact that it carries a larger risk of contracting HIV. However, that is applicable to those who have multiple sexual partners or those come in contact with HIV positive partners. If the act is between a monogamous and committed couple, the risks can be mitigated.”
Answer:
Good that you agree it carries a larger risk of contracting HIV. But, that’s the point. It boils down to Morality.
If it is to be based on the individual rights of a person/ couple as is your stand in all your comments, to do it freely and without fear or favour, where is the “Accountability” to the majority. Individual rights in Asian society entails some responsibility towards the majority. What you are constantly espousing in your “musings” is western concepts which are now undeniably slowly being overturned by a more vocal majority in their midst.
It’s a fallacy on your part if you deny that the minority in the West has been using all sorts of leverages and lobbying and discreet actions to get the recognition that they wanted, but, at what cost. Promiscuity, loose morals? Is that the way you want Singapore to go? Whatever your arguments you proffer will not hold water but only a “wayang kulit” because to you, as long as at the end of the day, your actions meets your aims.
3) When asked whether you felt anal sex is natural. You said “On whether it is natural? The word natural would, for me, draw a relation to reproduction. In this case, anal sex is not reproductive hence unnatural. However, I would not use “unnatural” to slant the term “anal sex” as the act is practiced in private. It serves no purpose unless the discussion was about reproduction.”
Answer:
Hello, if “CW” you still can’t see from the forest to the trees that “anal sex” is unnatural, you are either unnatural or just want to win the argument regardless of the natural order. There is no other interpretation or to put it in local jargon, “play backside”. Then, again, what is stopping the Father “do” the son, mother “do” the son, father “do” the daughter. That’s natural? No need to “slant” the term.
Let’s not continue playing with words here. You are evading a direct answer and the issue. Your anus was not meant for sex but for relieving yourself. Again you are playing with words, evading all the core issues and divert from answering directly.
My question to you : Is having “anal sex” natural? Do you think having your anus penetrated on a regular basis is natural? Don’t use the excuse that you don’t indulge in anal sex so you can comment. I don’t need to eat excrement to tell you it tastes bad.
4) “CW”, On being asked if you have watched the testimony of Christopher and Victor on http://christopheryuanvideo.blogspot.com/
You said : ”Not yet, but will do. Need Time. “
Answer:
If you are as impartial as what you try to portray, you would have seen it long time ago. Surprised you haven’t even watched it. If that’s the case, you really, really have lost the moral ground as your arguments are not impartial but evasive and suggestive towards pro-LBGT activism. Or perhaps you come from a background where no one taught you about morals and so this word is alien to you.
5) “CW”, you were asked if “Do you agree that Aware's CSE programme should have been suspended?”
You said: “…Yes, I believe it should be suspended. However, once the programme is refined to better reflect the necessary tones of society, it can request for the suspension to be lifted (subject to vetting and approval). ….I am not interested in the trainers’ manual, I am more interested in what was taught.”
Answer:
AWARE has rightly lost it’s moral authority by still standing by its position and no manner of ‘cosmetic’ application is going to change people’s mindset.
You are kidding if you think that the “trainer’s manual” is not important. It guides the “instructor” in formulating answers to the ‘students”. There have been comments by parents that said that the “instructors” themselves were pushing the line.
You should know that, recently, at a blogsite, a video clearly showed one of your AWARE “overseas” instructors trying to push their LBGT interpretations down the throat of a parent who was not convinced at all. Again, don’t tell me that you did not watch it. Then, how are you going to debate if you don’t watch something that you do not agree with. Again “wayang kulit”
Let’s talk about now. It’s very fine and noble that MOE should instruct the school counselors to do more but this is where they HAVE done so by “Outsourcing” them. But, you and AWARE and cohorts made slight of and took advantage of the people’s sincerity, ignorance, passivity and trust.
You don’t teach our “Young” that “anal sex” is normal and natural. It should not even be in the CSE. Unfortunately, CSE was taken directly from SIECUS, an organization from the USA or other, which are pro-LBGT as is AWARE (whom have stated their stance on this very clearly)
This is where the pro-LBGT took advantage to inveigle their agenda into the CSE to promulgate their views by trying to influence our “Children” at a very young age.
It is due to militant, aggressive and discreet actions such as by AWARE and it’s cohorts that brought out the “awareness” of the gravity of the danger to our young on how much MINORITY activism has secreted and permeated itself into our society through the Arts, Media, so-called NGOs & in Govt.
YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED!!! WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING!!!
REACH BLOG - 29 Jun 09 , 19:53 PM
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore!
You are welcome, "Red Panda",
"MOE and also parents need to ensure this program is carried out according the guideline. Make sure no more Wolves in sheep's clothing coming to our school anymore."
Yes, agreed. I spoke to a Primary school Teacher when I received the Opt-Out form from my child today. I asked if the CSE will be taught by external vendors or school teachers, and was told that it would be taught by its selected school teachers who have gone through about 2 days of training on this program.
I also asked if the teachers would be able to handle questions asked by their students and I had also asked to see the materials to be taught before I sign anything on the form.
The teacher has invited me to the school to vet the materials and I want to make sure that its contents is appropriate and its values are with the conservative mainstream majority.
And Dear "Beware Aware", I find your - "If "CW" thinks its natural and ok to keep sticking things inside the anus - something must be awfully mentally wrong with that kind of thinking! "CW", this kind of rubbish should be flushed down the WC." quite funny!
I think we should get the CSE materials from the school to read and vet first before we commit anything. We need to know what are being taught to our kids.
You are welcome, "Red Panda",
"MOE and also parents need to ensure this program is carried out according the guideline. Make sure no more Wolves in sheep's clothing coming to our school anymore."
Yes, agreed. I spoke to a Primary school Teacher when I received the Opt-Out form from my child today. I asked if the CSE will be taught by external vendors or school teachers, and was told that it would be taught by its selected school teachers who have gone through about 2 days of training on this program.
I also asked if the teachers would be able to handle questions asked by their students and I had also asked to see the materials to be taught before I sign anything on the form.
The teacher has invited me to the school to vet the materials and I want to make sure that its contents is appropriate and its values are with the conservative mainstream majority.
And Dear "Beware Aware", I find your - "If "CW" thinks its natural and ok to keep sticking things inside the anus - something must be awfully mentally wrong with that kind of thinking! "CW", this kind of rubbish should be flushed down the WC." quite funny!
I think we should get the CSE materials from the school to read and vet first before we commit anything. We need to know what are being taught to our kids.
REACH BLOG-29 Jun 09 , 19:24 PM
Beware Aware!
Is "CW" from Aware?? Aware wanting to refine & offer their CSE to the schools again in the future? We must be crazy to believe these pro LGBT people. All singing the same tune on the anal retentive contents. The wolves in sheep’s clothing are still waiting longingly for the day when the shepherds are caught napping.
The natural role of the anus is for exit of faeces and excrement. Its for the exit of all things unclean. If "CW" thinks its natural and ok to keep sticking things inside the anus - something must be awfully mentally wrong with that kind of thinking! "CW", this kind of rubbish should be flushed down the WC.
Our nostrils are for breathing - you mean if people stick things up their nostrils in private just because there's an opening, that's considered ok??? Offering deviant programmes to our kids based on tis kind of logic?
You mean we all have to indulge in anal sex before we can have proof that its unnatural or unhealthy? Its common sense! Think of what your anus has been doing all these years - what is its NATURAL NORMAL function everday?? To defecate. Anything beyond that esp anal sex - is NOT NORMAL or HEALTHY!!!Think of what the anus has been doing NORMALLY throughout your life. PLAIN COMMON SENSE THAT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE STICKING ANYTHING INTO YOURS ANUS REGULARLY EXCEPT FOR MEDICAL CHECKUP.
Thank you MOE for introducing sexuality programmes based on responsibility. Ask Aware to concentrate on welfare of women and tell them to leave our children alone!!Suspend Aware for good from our schools.
Is "CW" from Aware?? Aware wanting to refine & offer their CSE to the schools again in the future? We must be crazy to believe these pro LGBT people. All singing the same tune on the anal retentive contents. The wolves in sheep’s clothing are still waiting longingly for the day when the shepherds are caught napping.
The natural role of the anus is for exit of faeces and excrement. Its for the exit of all things unclean. If "CW" thinks its natural and ok to keep sticking things inside the anus - something must be awfully mentally wrong with that kind of thinking! "CW", this kind of rubbish should be flushed down the WC.
Our nostrils are for breathing - you mean if people stick things up their nostrils in private just because there's an opening, that's considered ok??? Offering deviant programmes to our kids based on tis kind of logic?
You mean we all have to indulge in anal sex before we can have proof that its unnatural or unhealthy? Its common sense! Think of what your anus has been doing all these years - what is its NATURAL NORMAL function everday?? To defecate. Anything beyond that esp anal sex - is NOT NORMAL or HEALTHY!!!Think of what the anus has been doing NORMALLY throughout your life. PLAIN COMMON SENSE THAT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE STICKING ANYTHING INTO YOURS ANUS REGULARLY EXCEPT FOR MEDICAL CHECKUP.
Thank you MOE for introducing sexuality programmes based on responsibility. Ask Aware to concentrate on welfare of women and tell them to leave our children alone!!Suspend Aware for good from our schools.
REACH BLOG-29 Jun 09 , 17:00 PM
Red Panda
Thanks to "Too Concrned to Remained Silent anymore!"
The MOE's New CSE Program is fine. MOE and also parents need to ensure this program is carried out according the guideline. Make sure no more Wolves in sheep's clothing coming to our school anymore.
I recalled an argument by the pro-GLBT and pro-liberal in rebuking the concerned parents and religious persons by saying "Who are you teaching morality to us". I would counter argue by saying "WHO ARE YOU TEACHING IMMORALITY TO MY KIDS IN SCHOOL".
Thanks to "Too Concrned to Remained Silent anymore!"
The MOE's New CSE Program is fine. MOE and also parents need to ensure this program is carried out according the guideline. Make sure no more Wolves in sheep's clothing coming to our school anymore.
I recalled an argument by the pro-GLBT and pro-liberal in rebuking the concerned parents and religious persons by saying "Who are you teaching morality to us". I would counter argue by saying "WHO ARE YOU TEACHING IMMORALITY TO MY KIDS IN SCHOOL".
REACH BLOG - 29 Jun 09 , 15:26 PM
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore!
Hi All,
MOE has already release some info on its NEW CSE programs, here goes:-
THE GROWING YEARS SERIES
Overview
MOE’s Growing Years (GY) series is the main co-curricular package for sexuality education. GY is premised on the importance of the family as the basic unit of society, and teaches abstinence as the best choice for adolescents. The topics in GY aim to
promote healthy relationships based on love and respect, and are categorised under four main themes: Human Development, Interpersonal
Relationships, Sexual Health and Behaviour, and Societal Influences.
GY is developmental in nature, spanning the upper primary to post-secondary (JC/CI) levels.
The series comprises of the following packages:
- Upper Primary package “Curious Minds”
- Lower Secondary package “The Teenage Years”
- Upper Secondary package “Sense and Sexuality”
- Post Secondary package “Love Matters”
All schools are required to conduct sexuality education lessons using the GY resources, with minimal hours of lessons required for different levels: 8 hours for Upper Primary, 6 hours for Lower Secondary, 8 hours for Upper Secondary and 4 hours for Post Secondary. Adoption of GY is optional for aided and independent schools who may replace GY with their own programme.
1. “Curious Minds” (Upper Primary) package
The upper primary years mark the onset of puberty. With better nutrition and improved health care, children are reaching puberty at a younger age and have to grapple with physical, emotional and psychological changes in themselves.
The implication is that our children are becoming biologically ready for sexual activity sooner without necessarily having the corresponding cognitive or emotional maturity to modulate their behaviours. Easy access to information via the internet also means that unless properly guided, our young may find it a challenge to make appropriate choices on matters of sexuality.
“Curious Minds” is a response to these challenges. It is designed to underscore the importance
of character development and health. It consists of a multi-media package with interactive games, role-plays to engage pupils in learning facts about sexuality.
The topics covered include the reproductive system and anatomy, the changes involved in puberty, building healthy relationships, the importance of family, attitudes and values towards physical intimacy, legal issues relating to sexual abuse and exhibitionism, and constructive ways to express affection guided by society’s norms and values.
2. “The Teenage Years” (Lower Secondary) package
The values and attitudes of our youth towards sexuality are increasingly being shaped by their peers, exposure to the media, popular culture and the internet.
Adolescence is a complex stage in life as the adolescent attempts to find his/her own identity and often struggles with new social relationships.
The focus of “The Teenage Years” for Lower Secondary students is to guide adolescents on issues relating to the building of self-esteem, and to help them understand and value the following:
a. the underlying value for healthy relationships is respect;
b. abstinence as the best option for teens;
c. the possible consequences of sex outside of marriage;
d. sexual reproduction in human beings;
e. the legal issues pertaining to sexual behaviour;
f. how certain public displays of affection can affect others;
g. the influence of the media and the internet; and
h. how they can seek help, including professional help, when necessary.
3. “Sense and Sexuality” (Upper Secondary) package
Middle adolescence (generally from 15 – 17 years old) can be a turbulent period for adolescents. The gap between physical and emotional/cognitive maturity may
result in a tendency to act on impulse, experiment with various activities (including sexual activities), sometimes without understanding the unpleasant consequences that may arise from such experimentation.
The need for peer acceptance can be overwhelmingly strong, and hinder one’s ability to act responsibly. Given the pressures faced by the middle adolescent
from within themselves and from peers, it is important to build a strong sense of self-worth, personal convictions and an understanding of the possible consequences of sexual behaviour.
Through “Sense & Sexuality”, upper secondary students will have opportunity to build character, expand their understanding and repertoire of skills to deal with various issues related to sexuality, which are of prime concern at this age. These include:
a. Gender differences between males and females;
b. A better understanding of relationships;
c. Setting boundaries;
d. Commitment in relationships;
e. Understanding the influence of the media on sexuality;
f. Communication and relationship building;
g. Decision-making and assertiveness skills to say no to sex;
h. Discernment skills; and
i. Help-seeking behaviour such as coping with break-ups and rejection.
4. “Love Matters” (Post Secondary) package
The focus for “Love Matters” is on issues in relationships. Relating with peers is a major component in the lives of JC/CI students, who spend an average of half to two-thirds of their waking hours with their peers.
The focus of the Post Secondary package is on Interpersonal Relationships, with themes of Human Development, Sexual Health and Behaviour, and Societal Influences woven into the main focus on relationships.
The main objectives are to challenge students to:
a. examine their beliefs about relationships, cast off self-defeating and irrational beliefs and embrace healthy ones;
b. examine their behaviours in relationships in the light of their choices and consequences, and replace negative behaviours with positive alternatives; and
c. develop personal qualities in themselves that they desire in their friends and partners.
The overall desired outcomes are that students would be optimistic about life and relationships, respect the rights and dignity of others, and consider abstinence as the best option for themselves as teenagers.
Hi All,
MOE has already release some info on its NEW CSE programs, here goes:-
THE GROWING YEARS SERIES
Overview
MOE’s Growing Years (GY) series is the main co-curricular package for sexuality education. GY is premised on the importance of the family as the basic unit of society, and teaches abstinence as the best choice for adolescents. The topics in GY aim to
promote healthy relationships based on love and respect, and are categorised under four main themes: Human Development, Interpersonal
Relationships, Sexual Health and Behaviour, and Societal Influences.
GY is developmental in nature, spanning the upper primary to post-secondary (JC/CI) levels.
The series comprises of the following packages:
- Upper Primary package “Curious Minds”
- Lower Secondary package “The Teenage Years”
- Upper Secondary package “Sense and Sexuality”
- Post Secondary package “Love Matters”
All schools are required to conduct sexuality education lessons using the GY resources, with minimal hours of lessons required for different levels: 8 hours for Upper Primary, 6 hours for Lower Secondary, 8 hours for Upper Secondary and 4 hours for Post Secondary. Adoption of GY is optional for aided and independent schools who may replace GY with their own programme.
1. “Curious Minds” (Upper Primary) package
The upper primary years mark the onset of puberty. With better nutrition and improved health care, children are reaching puberty at a younger age and have to grapple with physical, emotional and psychological changes in themselves.
The implication is that our children are becoming biologically ready for sexual activity sooner without necessarily having the corresponding cognitive or emotional maturity to modulate their behaviours. Easy access to information via the internet also means that unless properly guided, our young may find it a challenge to make appropriate choices on matters of sexuality.
“Curious Minds” is a response to these challenges. It is designed to underscore the importance
of character development and health. It consists of a multi-media package with interactive games, role-plays to engage pupils in learning facts about sexuality.
The topics covered include the reproductive system and anatomy, the changes involved in puberty, building healthy relationships, the importance of family, attitudes and values towards physical intimacy, legal issues relating to sexual abuse and exhibitionism, and constructive ways to express affection guided by society’s norms and values.
2. “The Teenage Years” (Lower Secondary) package
The values and attitudes of our youth towards sexuality are increasingly being shaped by their peers, exposure to the media, popular culture and the internet.
Adolescence is a complex stage in life as the adolescent attempts to find his/her own identity and often struggles with new social relationships.
The focus of “The Teenage Years” for Lower Secondary students is to guide adolescents on issues relating to the building of self-esteem, and to help them understand and value the following:
a. the underlying value for healthy relationships is respect;
b. abstinence as the best option for teens;
c. the possible consequences of sex outside of marriage;
d. sexual reproduction in human beings;
e. the legal issues pertaining to sexual behaviour;
f. how certain public displays of affection can affect others;
g. the influence of the media and the internet; and
h. how they can seek help, including professional help, when necessary.
3. “Sense and Sexuality” (Upper Secondary) package
Middle adolescence (generally from 15 – 17 years old) can be a turbulent period for adolescents. The gap between physical and emotional/cognitive maturity may
result in a tendency to act on impulse, experiment with various activities (including sexual activities), sometimes without understanding the unpleasant consequences that may arise from such experimentation.
The need for peer acceptance can be overwhelmingly strong, and hinder one’s ability to act responsibly. Given the pressures faced by the middle adolescent
from within themselves and from peers, it is important to build a strong sense of self-worth, personal convictions and an understanding of the possible consequences of sexual behaviour.
Through “Sense & Sexuality”, upper secondary students will have opportunity to build character, expand their understanding and repertoire of skills to deal with various issues related to sexuality, which are of prime concern at this age. These include:
a. Gender differences between males and females;
b. A better understanding of relationships;
c. Setting boundaries;
d. Commitment in relationships;
e. Understanding the influence of the media on sexuality;
f. Communication and relationship building;
g. Decision-making and assertiveness skills to say no to sex;
h. Discernment skills; and
i. Help-seeking behaviour such as coping with break-ups and rejection.
4. “Love Matters” (Post Secondary) package
The focus for “Love Matters” is on issues in relationships. Relating with peers is a major component in the lives of JC/CI students, who spend an average of half to two-thirds of their waking hours with their peers.
The focus of the Post Secondary package is on Interpersonal Relationships, with themes of Human Development, Sexual Health and Behaviour, and Societal Influences woven into the main focus on relationships.
The main objectives are to challenge students to:
a. examine their beliefs about relationships, cast off self-defeating and irrational beliefs and embrace healthy ones;
b. examine their behaviours in relationships in the light of their choices and consequences, and replace negative behaviours with positive alternatives; and
c. develop personal qualities in themselves that they desire in their friends and partners.
The overall desired outcomes are that students would be optimistic about life and relationships, respect the rights and dignity of others, and consider abstinence as the best option for themselves as teenagers.
Sunday, June 28, 2009
Testimony on Suzanne Chin
Below is a testimony of God's grace and goodness in my sister Suzanne's life. Letter from Dr Alan Chin. Feel free to forward this to all your friends
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Dr Alan Chin
10-Jun-09
Testimony on Suzanne Chin
On the morning of Monday, 20 of April 2009, I received a call from my brother–in-law John that my sister Suzanne had suffered a cardiac arrest and was warded in ICU in hospital in Hong Kong. This came at the worst time possible as I was going through a time of tribulation and crisis in my own life. My wife Josie had just been appointed as the President of AWARE and when she most needed my support, I had to be away! (Remember the A.W.A.R.E. saga?)
My mother and I flew up that very afternoon to Hong Kong. We arrived that night and headed straight to Canossa Hospital where Suzanne was warded. We met John and my brother David who had flown in earlier. John recounted what had happened that morning.
As per her usual morning routine, after sending her kids to school, she went for her morning jog with her dog. However, after around ten minutes, she decided to turn back as she was feeling tired. She had a bath and went to bed. As John noticed that she looked unwell and was slow in her speech, he called for the ambulance. Within 10-15 minutes she was on her way to hospital, still conscious.
Unfortunately on arrival at 8:38am, she lapsed into unconsciousness with an unrecordable blood pressure. The doctors commenced resuscitation which lasted about 2 hours. ECG on admission showed narrow complex bradycardia. Intra venous adrenaline was administered and she developed a ventricular tachycardia. She was defibrillated which resulted in sinus rhythm. She was intubated and started on IV dopamine and adrenaline.
She was transferred to ICU after she had been stabilized.
MRI of Brain showed:
- Tiny T2W dark signal in Right cerebellar hemisphere, likely a nonspecific focus due to a tiny calcification or tiny focus of old No other intracranial abnormality.
- Trace fluid signal in posterior wall of NP.
- ECG immediate post resuscitation on 20.4.2009 – SR, ST depression in praecordial leads
CXR report:
- Interstitial lung markings, right lung pleural fluid, slightly more confluent shadowing RUZ, but may have some pneumonic changes.
In ICU, she developed diabetes insipidus – marked urine output (serum osmolarity 325 urine osmolarity 129) responded to DDAVP.
When I saw Suzanne in ICU, she did not look good. She was on a ventilator; her pupils were 4mm fixed and dilated. Her limbs were flaccid. The respiratory physician advised that the prognosis was very poor with evidence of brain stem death and pituitary gland failure. The room temperature in ICU was kept low to slow down the metabolic processes.
I spent the night in hospital praying and interceding. I proclaimed Psalm118:17 over Suzanne that she shall not die but live to declare the works of the Lord.
An echocardiogram done the next morning on Tue, 21 April 2009 by the cardiologist, Dr. David Ho showed:
- Moderate Aortic Regurgitation with global left ventricular dysfunction and moderate to severe global hypokinesia.
- Cardiac valves showed no abnormal thickening.
- Tri-leaflet aortic valve
- LVES 4.89cm LVED 5.35cm
- EF 19% by M mode
- LA 2.72cm
Dr Ho suggested a diagnosis of acute aortic valve prolapse leading to cardiac arrest.
That afternoon, her condition remained unchanged. The temperature in the ICU was now turned up in a not-too-subtle hint that the doctors had given up.
The respiratory physician again advised that there was no improvement and confirmed that Suzanne had brain stem death (BSD). It is a term equated with death to describe a person on life-support system when faced with a decision whether or not to switch off the ventilator or to harvest organs for organ transplant. She advised John to consider switching off the ventilator as Suzanne was now dead and there was no hope of recovery. She added in medical history there were no cases of anybody recovering from BSD.
I contacted my friends in Singapore to pray for Suzanne.
We requested for a second opinion from a neurologist who examined her that afternoon. Her pupils were fixed and dilated. Vestibulo-ocular reflex was negative. She had a negative gag and cough reflex. There was no pain reflex in response to deep pressure over sternum, fingers, and eyebrow. She was flaccid, a-reflexic and there was no plantar response. His diagnosis was also that of brain stem death.
That evening, Suzanne looked dead. She was cold and clammy; facial discoloration had set in, especially under her eyes. There was also a smell of death over her. That evening, her children, Kim and Ian saw her for the first time after her collapse. The whole family was distraught. Everyone was grieving for Suzanne.
Later that night, I called Josie to update her on Suzanne’s condition. She spoke to John and prayed with him. She received the word "resurrection" and told John that God is our Healer and that He would resurrect all her brain cells.
Even as I prayed that night, I asked Father God where was Suzanne ? He answered that she was with Him. I then asked whether she would be coming back. He said yes! I asked when but there was no answer. I then asked for a sign by Wednesday as I had scheduled to return to Singapore that afternoon. Comforted I went to sleep early that night.
Things started to turn around on Wednesday. Early that morning, the nurses noticed slight movement as they were sucking phlegm from her intubation tube. John excitedly called from hospital that early morning saying Suzanne had opened her eyes for the briefest moment several times!
We hurried down to the hospital. As we called her name there was response with twitching of her lips and movement of her eyebrows. She opened her eyes several times! We were all greatly encouraged.
Suzanne was then reassessed by the neurologist. When he called her name, there was no response. When he asked her to move her arm, again there was no response. However, when I called out her name, she opened her eyes. She also moved her fingers when I asked her to move her hand. Her pupils were still fixed and dilated with a negative doll’s eye reflex. There was grimacing of her face in response to deep pressure for pain over her fingers and sternum.
Strangely the neurologist still advised John that these signs were just autonomic responses. She also warned John not to raise false hopes of recovery as Suzanne had BSD!
At around noon, the respiratory physician noted there were further signs of recovery. Suzanne had started triggering the ventilator to breathe, about 5-10% of the breaths. By the time I left the hospital for the airport at about 1:30pm, she was initiating 100% of her breathing.
By that evening, there was movement of all her four limbs; with increasing episodes of eye movements. Her pupils were no longer fixed and dilated and she had regained her pupillary reflexes.
However she developed a fever. Her total white blood count was 34,500. Chest X-Ray showed lobar pneumonia, with bilateral infiltrates indicative of adult respiratory distress syndrome. Remarkably all these settled down within 24 hours.
On Thursday 23 April, while being reassessed by her neurologist, John asked Suzanne to nod her head if she understood him. She did so. He then asked her to nod her head twice as the doctor was skeptical. Again she did so.
By Friday 24 April, Suzanne was fully conscious and able to recognize all who visited her.
Echo of heart: Ejection Fraction had improved from 19% to 43%. (Her EF was back to normal by Monday 27 April).
Suzanne was ex-tubated on Saturday, 25 April. She was able to talk shortly after that. Neurological examination revealed full and total recovery with no neurological deficits.
I spoke to her that afternoon over the phone just before I testified in church of God’s power and amazing grace in bringing her back from the dead.
On Sunday 26 April morning, Suzanne was up and about and was able to shower herself. She even asked John to bring her facial wash and moisturizer.
She was discharged the following Tuesday.
As I shared her amazing testimony in Church Of Our Savior again, on Sunday 26 April morning, a reporter from ‘The Newpaper’ was also present. Intending to hear Pastor Derek's sermon, she had no choice but to sit through my sharing of this miracle. It was then reported on Monday 27 April The Newpaper’s Front page!
Up till today doctors are not able to ascertain what happened to Suzanne as all the tests have been negative. She is fully recovered and coming back to Singapore permanently this end June 2009 after spending 15 years in Hong Kong.
Suzanne remembers that while she was in coma, she dreamt that she was pinned down on the floor of an apartment she had earlier visited in Pandan Valley Singapore. She tried to get up but someone (she described it as an evil presence) prevented her from doing so.
She has been touched and changed by her experience and walking closer to God.
I hope that Suzanne’s miraculous resurrection will be a source of comfort, strength and encouragement of the reality of God’s amazing grace, mercy and goodness.
Revelation 19:10b states: For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Let him or her who needs a miracle from God, claim one.
Dr Alan Chin
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Dr Alan Chin
10-Jun-09
Testimony on Suzanne Chin
On the morning of Monday, 20 of April 2009, I received a call from my brother–in-law John that my sister Suzanne had suffered a cardiac arrest and was warded in ICU in hospital in Hong Kong. This came at the worst time possible as I was going through a time of tribulation and crisis in my own life. My wife Josie had just been appointed as the President of AWARE and when she most needed my support, I had to be away! (Remember the A.W.A.R.E. saga?)
My mother and I flew up that very afternoon to Hong Kong. We arrived that night and headed straight to Canossa Hospital where Suzanne was warded. We met John and my brother David who had flown in earlier. John recounted what had happened that morning.
As per her usual morning routine, after sending her kids to school, she went for her morning jog with her dog. However, after around ten minutes, she decided to turn back as she was feeling tired. She had a bath and went to bed. As John noticed that she looked unwell and was slow in her speech, he called for the ambulance. Within 10-15 minutes she was on her way to hospital, still conscious.
Unfortunately on arrival at 8:38am, she lapsed into unconsciousness with an unrecordable blood pressure. The doctors commenced resuscitation which lasted about 2 hours. ECG on admission showed narrow complex bradycardia. Intra venous adrenaline was administered and she developed a ventricular tachycardia. She was defibrillated which resulted in sinus rhythm. She was intubated and started on IV dopamine and adrenaline.
She was transferred to ICU after she had been stabilized.
MRI of Brain showed:
- Tiny T2W dark signal in Right cerebellar hemisphere, likely a nonspecific focus due to a tiny calcification or tiny focus of old No other intracranial abnormality.
- Trace fluid signal in posterior wall of NP.
- ECG immediate post resuscitation on 20.4.2009 – SR, ST depression in praecordial leads
CXR report:
- Interstitial lung markings, right lung pleural fluid, slightly more confluent shadowing RUZ, but may have some pneumonic changes.
In ICU, she developed diabetes insipidus – marked urine output (serum osmolarity 325 urine osmolarity 129) responded to DDAVP.
When I saw Suzanne in ICU, she did not look good. She was on a ventilator; her pupils were 4mm fixed and dilated. Her limbs were flaccid. The respiratory physician advised that the prognosis was very poor with evidence of brain stem death and pituitary gland failure. The room temperature in ICU was kept low to slow down the metabolic processes.
I spent the night in hospital praying and interceding. I proclaimed Psalm118:17 over Suzanne that she shall not die but live to declare the works of the Lord.
An echocardiogram done the next morning on Tue, 21 April 2009 by the cardiologist, Dr. David Ho showed:
- Moderate Aortic Regurgitation with global left ventricular dysfunction and moderate to severe global hypokinesia.
- Cardiac valves showed no abnormal thickening.
- Tri-leaflet aortic valve
- LVES 4.89cm LVED 5.35cm
- EF 19% by M mode
- LA 2.72cm
Dr Ho suggested a diagnosis of acute aortic valve prolapse leading to cardiac arrest.
That afternoon, her condition remained unchanged. The temperature in the ICU was now turned up in a not-too-subtle hint that the doctors had given up.
The respiratory physician again advised that there was no improvement and confirmed that Suzanne had brain stem death (BSD). It is a term equated with death to describe a person on life-support system when faced with a decision whether or not to switch off the ventilator or to harvest organs for organ transplant. She advised John to consider switching off the ventilator as Suzanne was now dead and there was no hope of recovery. She added in medical history there were no cases of anybody recovering from BSD.
I contacted my friends in Singapore to pray for Suzanne.
We requested for a second opinion from a neurologist who examined her that afternoon. Her pupils were fixed and dilated. Vestibulo-ocular reflex was negative. She had a negative gag and cough reflex. There was no pain reflex in response to deep pressure over sternum, fingers, and eyebrow. She was flaccid, a-reflexic and there was no plantar response. His diagnosis was also that of brain stem death.
That evening, Suzanne looked dead. She was cold and clammy; facial discoloration had set in, especially under her eyes. There was also a smell of death over her. That evening, her children, Kim and Ian saw her for the first time after her collapse. The whole family was distraught. Everyone was grieving for Suzanne.
Later that night, I called Josie to update her on Suzanne’s condition. She spoke to John and prayed with him. She received the word "resurrection" and told John that God is our Healer and that He would resurrect all her brain cells.
Even as I prayed that night, I asked Father God where was Suzanne ? He answered that she was with Him. I then asked whether she would be coming back. He said yes! I asked when but there was no answer. I then asked for a sign by Wednesday as I had scheduled to return to Singapore that afternoon. Comforted I went to sleep early that night.
Things started to turn around on Wednesday. Early that morning, the nurses noticed slight movement as they were sucking phlegm from her intubation tube. John excitedly called from hospital that early morning saying Suzanne had opened her eyes for the briefest moment several times!
We hurried down to the hospital. As we called her name there was response with twitching of her lips and movement of her eyebrows. She opened her eyes several times! We were all greatly encouraged.
Suzanne was then reassessed by the neurologist. When he called her name, there was no response. When he asked her to move her arm, again there was no response. However, when I called out her name, she opened her eyes. She also moved her fingers when I asked her to move her hand. Her pupils were still fixed and dilated with a negative doll’s eye reflex. There was grimacing of her face in response to deep pressure for pain over her fingers and sternum.
Strangely the neurologist still advised John that these signs were just autonomic responses. She also warned John not to raise false hopes of recovery as Suzanne had BSD!
At around noon, the respiratory physician noted there were further signs of recovery. Suzanne had started triggering the ventilator to breathe, about 5-10% of the breaths. By the time I left the hospital for the airport at about 1:30pm, she was initiating 100% of her breathing.
By that evening, there was movement of all her four limbs; with increasing episodes of eye movements. Her pupils were no longer fixed and dilated and she had regained her pupillary reflexes.
However she developed a fever. Her total white blood count was 34,500. Chest X-Ray showed lobar pneumonia, with bilateral infiltrates indicative of adult respiratory distress syndrome. Remarkably all these settled down within 24 hours.
On Thursday 23 April, while being reassessed by her neurologist, John asked Suzanne to nod her head if she understood him. She did so. He then asked her to nod her head twice as the doctor was skeptical. Again she did so.
By Friday 24 April, Suzanne was fully conscious and able to recognize all who visited her.
Echo of heart: Ejection Fraction had improved from 19% to 43%. (Her EF was back to normal by Monday 27 April).
Suzanne was ex-tubated on Saturday, 25 April. She was able to talk shortly after that. Neurological examination revealed full and total recovery with no neurological deficits.
I spoke to her that afternoon over the phone just before I testified in church of God’s power and amazing grace in bringing her back from the dead.
On Sunday 26 April morning, Suzanne was up and about and was able to shower herself. She even asked John to bring her facial wash and moisturizer.
She was discharged the following Tuesday.
As I shared her amazing testimony in Church Of Our Savior again, on Sunday 26 April morning, a reporter from ‘The Newpaper’ was also present. Intending to hear Pastor Derek's sermon, she had no choice but to sit through my sharing of this miracle. It was then reported on Monday 27 April The Newpaper’s Front page!
Up till today doctors are not able to ascertain what happened to Suzanne as all the tests have been negative. She is fully recovered and coming back to Singapore permanently this end June 2009 after spending 15 years in Hong Kong.
Suzanne remembers that while she was in coma, she dreamt that she was pinned down on the floor of an apartment she had earlier visited in Pandan Valley Singapore. She tried to get up but someone (she described it as an evil presence) prevented her from doing so.
She has been touched and changed by her experience and walking closer to God.
I hope that Suzanne’s miraculous resurrection will be a source of comfort, strength and encouragement of the reality of God’s amazing grace, mercy and goodness.
Revelation 19:10b states: For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Let him or her who needs a miracle from God, claim one.
Dr Alan Chin
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