AWARE On ST’s “Prime News”

AWARE On ST’s “Prime News”

ST dd 07.07.09 (PgA10)

So, what a blaze of “glory” for ST. Very well timed to give AWARE a big boost and even a full page.

AWARE has still not given up and will push the boundaries as per their stated stand. You can see from today’s ST news.

In the first place, they have no business giving the “man” a vote as they are a group created to fight for “Women’s” rights.

In my view, the general public has been hoodwinked all these years. They did not realize that fighting for women’s rights was only the platform and a guise to a bigger issue and that is (a) repealing of Section 377 & 377A (b) to change people’s mindset to embrace the LBGT views.

The time will come soon, when, AWARE will allow male associate members the right to vote. No more “associates” by then. Anybody can join then, but, the first criteria to be used will be that you must “either be pro-gay” or already a gay. Therefore, if you are a woman and don’t belief in their constitution that supports gay rights, then, you as a woman, cannot join up. Sorry-lah, you have to look elsewhere for help.

What is AWARE? It stands for “Association of Women for Action and Research”. Maybe in future, they should take out the “Women” bit.

You can bet that many of the “men” are “gay”. So, no more chance for a takeover. What a washout and a sell-out for women as a whole.

In those early days, who would have figgered that the “inclusive” part in their constitution will be used to get involved in gay issues? Govt and the Public have been “had or suckered”.

Finally, it’s not Josie Lau’s fault that the “money” had to be spent. Given the short time and the constraints and pressure by the Old Guard, it was laughable that the Old Guard now have the temerity to say that Josie’s group should have asked for help from AWARE volunteers. What a big joke. AWARE’s new committee wont “sue” Josie because they have no grounds for it. Period!

Another IMPORTANT thing to point out is that Concerned Parents & People should take note of those Companies involved in supporting the Old Guard. Without these Companies’ monies, the Old Guard will not be able to promote their “Gay” causes. They should extract out a “caveat” from the Old Guard that “donated monies should not be used in support of “Gay” rights”. Those Companies can also be considered in cahoots with the Old Guard for supporting anti-family values. We should voice out our views loud so that these Companies will not help AWARE in furthering their stated goal of supporting anti-family values.

Dear Parents & Supporters of Family Values, can you see what obstacles we have in front of us? Regrettably, if not for my young children and my humble job, I would have started a lobby group myself. People like us still have some ways to go to be free of the shackle to carry the banner. What of you who are retired and still strong in mind and spirit and free? Is there any amongst you who would take up this challenge. I will not think twice and be the first to be a member.

REACH - Diversity Of Views

a good seed
28 Jun 09 , 11:37 AM

Act I (Scene 1) - THE DAY (LUCKILY) THE FENCE DID NOT COME DOWN

Time : The Past; some time in 2007

Place: "Baaliament"; the Main Shed by a riverside on a beautiful tropical island called "Sheepgapore" somewhere above the Equator (One Degree Long. Nineteen Degree Lat.)

The Participants: Baaliament gathering of Good Shepherds (guardians of sheepgapore's population of sheep); unfortunately with members of the Jackals And Wolves Society (JAWS) masquerating as shepherds.

HEAD SHEPHERD: "We are gathered here to formulate plans to keep improving the welfare of our herd in our care. It's sooooooo eeeeeasy controlling the herd as they are all sooooooo timid - always leaving us shepherds to make decisions all the time.

Sadly, we shepherds do make mistakes at times owing to some of our inexperience members asleep on the job or delegating some other shepherds (JAWS) in reality to take charge of the herd. Of course, we know that JAWS exists in our midst and also amongst the herd when they are actually wolves in sheep's clothing).

We must not admit to the herd nor apologise for our inaccurate policies and must not show humility as shepherds are considered soooooo ggggreat less we weaken our hold on the herd. (chorus; from the members present "hear, hear; hear, hear")

Also, we have problems looking for fresh pastures; for newwater for the herd as the current grazing areas are about barren and the search has got to be relentless.

Planning new fighting techniques for our guard dogs in the protection of the herd from dangers lurking amongst them; especially preventing JAWS infiltrating, capturing and taking over control of Baaliament.

"The infiltrated JAWS in Baaliament (disguised as shepherds) have even proposed that we good shepherds all agree to take the fence down so that the herd can roam easily across the wide expanse of the island in search of more clean water and greener pastures.

These JAWS members are like cunning serpents. We good shepherds must stay guarded at all times to prevent their taking over control of Baaliament.

Almost all of our wise and good shepherds in Baaliament are against the idea of taking the fence down as this can also let in the wolf pack waiting outside the fencing; patiently with salivating jaws; ever ready to pounce on each and every one of the innocent herd - the very young and old.

The good shepherds in Baaliament argued that if the fence is taken down; the wolf pack would then make short work of the whole herd as soon as the fence is taken down and a bloody massacre of the herd and even the good shepherds, is inevitable.

Therefore, we good shepherds have a sacred duty in protecting our herd and maintain a constant vigilance all through the years to rid JAWS of their evil intentions for the welfare of the whole herd on our beautiful island of Sheepgapore.

GOOD SHEPHERDS, REMEMBER ALWAYS:

"DON'T EVER TAKE A FENCE DOWN UNTIL YOU KNOW THE REASON IT WAS PUT UP".

Good Shepherds (all in unison "hear hear; hear hear") and thus, the meeting ended.

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ACT I (SCENE 2) - THE MEETING - IT'S CALLED MUTATION

The Time : The Present

The Place: A deep underground secret lair on a famous island resort, just above the Equator (One Degree Ninety)

The Participants: Gathering of the Jackals and Wolves Society (JAWS)
(Above the din of howling, pawing, jumping up and down and banging on the walls of the lair):

JAWS' Secretary: "Order, order. Stop howling, jumping and banging. This is our JAWS' meeting, not the AWARE's EGM (met with more howling, jumping and banging on the lair' walls, this time even more deafening).

Meeting has now started to report our pack's progress since JAWS got clobbered in the 2007 Baaliament; cancellation of JAWS' subsequent beach party when we were exposed by some very smart sheep who complained to their good shepherds of our evil intentions and the now infamous AWARE saga.

The good news is we, JAWS at our recent clandestine meeting, decided to change tactic (yes, IT'S CALLED MUTATION)immediately and fooled everyone, yes, even fooling the good shepherds and their guard dogs by holding a so-called family fun party gathering on the island resort, oooooops I mean our lair (more howling, pawing and banging on walls..) with free entrance, plenty of fresh green grass with lots and lots of clean water.

Fortunately these sheep (young and old), the good shepherds and their guard dogs never stop to think for an instant that all these free facilities are big moneys paid and solely funded by members of JAWS. It was worth every $ spent by our JAWS society; just to smell and lick the nice clean coats of the young sheep and devouring some of them when they were too intoxicated to resist (with our hoard of booze) after the good shepherds and their guard dogs left the party early.

We JAWS believe if the means justify the ends, every $ spent was worth it (more howling and banging on walls..)The whole sheep on the resort had forgotton what their MM Good Shepherd had repeatedly advised:

"NOTHING IS FOR FREE IN THE WORLD".

Ensuring A Diversity Of Views In Parliament

Silent Majority
23 Jun 09 , 17:42 PM

Silent Majority
23 Jun 09 , 10:52 AM

Hi, "Too concerned......"

Heard you! Trouble now is Beatrice is out of the picture for now as the Arts scene of about 150 people have already voted in 2 of their cohorts, namely, Audrey Wong(Substation) and Loretta Chen(confirmed L***) as their representatives.

Regards,
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23 Jun 09 , 09:58 AM

Dear Silent Majority,

Besides the 2 Arts NMP, please do not forget Beatrice Chia! She is no better than Loretta Chen or Siew Kum Hong. All are Pro-LGBTs and LGBT. You should check out all her many films. Themes on Homosexuality, sexually explicit and erotic, sado-masochistic and the list goes on...

She is highly Controversial, vocal and daring. Isn't it obvious WHY she applied to be in parliament? Voice for Alternative, Liberal, Unnatural, Unhealthy, Lifestyles and another Pro-LGBT Activist!

We do NOT want or need people like that in our parliament! One is already too many!

Please all when you write, don't forget Beatrice Chia too.

Homosexual Activists Intimidate American Psychiatric Association into Removing Homosexuality from List of Disorders

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Homosexual Activists Intimidate American Psychiatric Association into
Removing Homosexuality from List of Disorders

from: http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexualactivists-
intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removinghomosexuality-
from-list-of-disorders/#more-20

Posted by foospro86 on October 1, 2007
BY RYAN SORBA

“It was never a medical decision—and that’s why I think the action came so fast…It was a political move.”

“That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.”
-Barbara Gittings, Same-gender sex activist

Let us, for a moment, rewind to the year1970. In this year, same-gender sex activists began a program of intimidation aimed at the American Psychiatric
Association (APA).

Activist Frank Kameny states the movement’s objective clearly, “I feel that the entire homophile movement…is going to stand or fall upon the question of whether or not homosexuality is a sickness, and upon our taking a firm stand on it…” (The Gay Crusaders, by Kay Tobin and Randy Wicker, p. 98)

In 1970, psychiatrists generally considered sexual desires toward members of one’s own gender to be disordered.

Karoly Maria Kertbeny’s term, “homosexual” was the official descriptor for those inflicted by this mental-physical disassociative disorder.

Psychiatry’s authoritative voice influenced public opinion, which at the time was negative toward same-gender sex.

Of course, public sexual activity in parks and public restrooms contributed to societies negative views about the types of people that did such things, but “scientific opinion” was crucial in the public
attitude.

Led by radicals like Frank Kameny, same-gender sex activists attacked many psychiatrists publicly, as Newsweek describes, “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists.

Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos for twenty minutes.

‘We are here to denounce your authority to call us sick or mentally disordered,’
shouted the group’s leader, Dr. Franklin Kameny, while the 2,000 shocked
psychiatrists looked on in disbelief.

‘For us, as homosexuals, your profession is the enemy incarnate. We demand that psychiatrists treat us as human beings, not as patients to be cured!’” (Newsweek, 8-23-71, p.47)

Ironically, at the very moment Franklin Kameny was claiming that same-gender sex was healthy, safe, and natural, a deadly virus was silently passing through communities of men all over the nation as a result of the promiscuous, unhealthy nature of the sex they were having. Only a decade later, thousands of men would be dead or dying, of AIDS.

On June 7, of the following year, 1971, Franklin Kameny wrote a letter to the
Psychiatric News threatening the APA with not only more, but worse, disruptions.

In this letter he states, “Our presence there was only the beginning of an ncreasingly intensive campaign by homosexuals to change the approach of
psychiatry toward homosexuality or, failing that, to discredit psychiatry.”
(The Gay Crusaders p. 130-131)

Same-gender sex activists continued to pressure the APA through 1973. A samegender
sex magazine, The Advocate, talks of “…what happened in 1973…referring to the widespread protests by the gay and lesbian community that led to the APA’s dropping homosexuality from the DSM.” (The Advocate, 12-28-93, p.40)

As a result of the pressure, in the words of the prominent journalist and same gender
sex activists, Andrew Sullivan, in December of 1973 the APA, “…under intense political pressure…removed homosexuality from its official list of psychiatric disorders…” (Love Undetectable, book by Andrew Sullivan, 1998, p.107) Under this “intense political pressure” the APA’s board of trustees finally caved in to the demands of same-gender sex activists.

Another same-gender sex activist Mark Thompson writes, “Just before the first of the year, the American Psychiatric Association’s board of trustees declared we were no longer sick.” (The Long Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p.97)

After the vote by the American Psychiatric Associations Board of Trustees, some
members of the APA, led by Dr. Charles Socarides called for a full vote by the
APA’s 17,905 members. (The Long Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p. 104)
On April 9, 1974, results of the vote were announced. Only 10,555 of the 17,905
APA members had voted in the election.

The results were as follows:

Total APA members eligible to vote: 17,905
Number of APA members that actually voted: 10,555
Number of members that “Abstained”: 367
Number of “ No” votes-votes to keep “homosexuality” in the DSM as a
mental disorder: 3,810
Number of “Yes” votes-votes to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM as a
mental disorder: 5,854

It should be noted that the number of “Yes” (5,854) made up only 32.7 percent of
the total membership of the APA.

Only slightly less than one-third of the APA’s
membership approved the change.

It should be further noted that the “National Gay Task Force” was able to obtain APA members addresses and the “NGTF” (with-out identifying itself) and they sent creepy letters to all members urging them to vote to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM.

Bruce Voeller, the head of the NGTF admits, “Our costly letter has perhaps made the difference.” (The Long Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p. 105-106)

Dishonesty and intimidation had won the day for the same-gender sex movement, and when activists publicly claim that this vote was a scientific decision; they hide three years of deceit and intimidation.

In same-gender sex publications, however, activists are remarkably candid about the reality of the vote. For example, Kay Tobin Lahausen, co-author of The Gay Crusaders describes a variety of activism. “We did all sorts of protests…When the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations came out of some meeting and got in hisbig black limousine, I remember going crazy, rocking and beating on the limousine…He had never been besieged by a bunch of homosexuals before. But he had said something that got us going.” (Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, 1945-1990: an Oral History by Eric Marcus p.216-217) (–Author Marcus has worked as an associate producer for “CBS This Morning” and “Good Morning America.”)
Lahausen’s lover, Barbara Gittings was a well known activist during this time as
well.

Gittings was the first head of the American Library Association Gay Task Force, although she was not a librarian her objective was to bring books advocating the same-gender sex movement to the attention of librarians in hopes of having them included in libraries.

At one American Library Association meeting Gittings set up a same-gender kissing booth, to attract attention to the same-gender sex.

Gittings tells about her activism against the APA. “Besides the ALA, I was also very involved, along with many other people, in efforts to get the American Psychiatric Association… to drop its listing of homosexuality as a mental illness. Psychiatrists were one of the three major groups that had their hands on us. They had a kind of control over our fate, in the eyes of the public, for a long time. “Religion and law were the other two groups that had their hands on us. So, besides being sick, we were sinful and criminal. But the sickness label infected everything that we said and made it difficult for us to gain any credibility for anything we said ourselves. The sickness issue was paramount.” (Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, 1945-1990: an Oral History by Eric Marcus p.221)

Gittings took place in the disruptive attacks (“saps”) on the APA. She states, “I am
not opposed to sap tactics. In fact, I spearheaded a sap at a psychiatrists meeting
and I’m ready to do it again.” (The Gay Crusaders, p.234) Barbara Gittings recounts, “The 1970 convention in San Francisco was disrupted by a group of feminists and gay men who were enraged by what the psychiatrists were saying about them—and newspapers all around the country carried the story” (The Gay Crusaders, p.216).

The “Gay” Militants, a book about that time, adds details, “On May 14, 1970 psychiatrists became the hunted. An invasion by the coalition of ‘gay’ and woman’s liberationists interrupted the national convention of the American Psychiatric Association in San Francisco to protest the reading of a paper by an Australian psychiatrists on the subject of ‘aversion therapy,’ a system of treatment which attempts to change gay orientation by keying unpleasant sensations (such as electric shocks) to homosexual stimuli.

By the time the meeting was over, the feminists and their gay cohorts were in charge…and the doctors were heckling from the audience.’” (The Gay Militants,
by Donn Teal, p.272-273)

Same-gender sex activists took over the podium and microphones. Then, “Konstantin Berlandt, of Berkeley GLF, paraded through the hall in bright red dress. Paper airplanes sailed down from the balcony. With two papers still unread, the chairman announced adjournment.” (Ibid., p.274) On June 23, 1970 same-gender sex activists disrupted yet another meeting, this time in Chicago, be repeatedly shouting down the main speakers discourse. (Ibid., 275)

Then, in October at a meeting at the University of Southern California, same-gender
sex activists shouted down a speaker and then took over the stage and the microphone. (Ibid., pp.276-280)

Kay Lahusen and Barbera Gittings know what really happened to the APA. In the
book, Making History they are quite open about the reality.

Kay: This was always more of a political decision than a medical decision.
Barbara: It never was a medical decision—and that’s why I think the action came
so fast.
After all, it was only three years from the time that feminists and gays first sapped the APA at a behavior therapy session to the time that the Board of
Trustees voted in 1973 to approve removing homosexuality from the list of mental
disorders. It was a political move.” (Making History, p.224)
The APA was thoroughly intimidated. Later in the same year (1974), after the APA’s vote, Gittings was interviewed by a historian of the same-gender sex movement, Jonathan Ned Katz. Gittings brags, “That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.”

(Gay American History, by Jonathan Ned Katz, 1992, p.427. This interview was
taped July 19, 1974). Anytime a scientific organization endorses same-gender sex,
remember Gittings words: “They are running scared.”

Same-gender sex activists have learned that intimidation works and they are never hesitant about using intimidation, psychological manipulation and deceit to reach the goals of their radical agenda.

Later in 1974, same-gender sex activists set their vicious sights on an individual
member of the American Psychiatric Association, Dr. David Rueben, who was perhaps the best-known psychologist in the area of human sexuality at the time.

Unbeknownst to Dr. Reuben, same-gender activists were lying in wait outside one
of his lectures, and his physical safety was at risk.

A same-gender sex activist and writer, Leigh Rutledge describes the attack in her
book The Gay Decades, “June 16, A fist fight broke out at a Philadelphia playhouse when ten gay activists interrupt a lecture by Dr. David Rueben and denounce him as ‘a criminal’ for his views on male homosexuality.

One policeman and a protestor are injured in the melee.” (The Gay Decades, by a man that engages in same-gender sex and writer, Leigh W. Rutledge, 1992, p.69)

On that same page, this book tells us that, “The Centers for Disease Control
estimate that gay or bisexual men account for as much as one-third of the syphilis
cases in the U.S.”

Apparently, the American Psychological Association also got the message of intimidation, because they caved in to same-gender sex activists in 1975. In the
book, The Long Road to Freedom the author writes, “January…The American
Psychological Association and American Association for the Advancement of Science echoed the American Psychiatric Association in deeming homosexuality not an illness.” (The Long Road to Freedom, pp.115) The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) publishes the scientific journal Science, intimidation by same-gender sex activists was over for them. “Under pressure from gay scientific groups, Science magazine banned anti-gay bias in its staff hiring and advertisement.” (The Long Road to Freedom, pp.214)

Could the AAAS have been thinking about “pressure from gay scientific groups” when they published the poorly done studies by LeVay (“gay” brains) and Hamer (“gay” gene)? Two scientists who protested the LeVay study raise serious questions about AAAS, Science, and same-gender sex activists. “The appearance of LeVay’s paper highlights a serious issue in science public policy.

Should such a study, based on a questionable design, with subjects drawn from a
small, highly selected and non-representative sample, receive the kind of
international attention and credibility that publication in a journal with the stature of Science lends?” (Science, 11-1-91, p.630)

If Dr. LeVay was not able to draw a proper sample and to fulfill other basic
requirements for a scientific study, why did he conduct the study at all?

If the study was not done for scientific reasons it must have been done for political
reasons.

Indeed, LeVay’s study was part of a public relations campaign, (the born “gay” hoax) to make the public believe that individuals were born “gay.”

Science, a supposedly reputable publication, must have been intimidated to risk
their own legitimacy by published such shoddy work. When unethical political
movements dominate science, pushing science in unscientific directions, science
suffers and leads society astray.

One lesson from these facts is unmistakable: every time a scientific group repeats
the same-gender sex movement’s propaganda, you may justifiably suspect that these groups are acting out of ignorance or intimidation.

Another lesson is that same-gender sex activists are so desperate to cover their
deeply dysfunctional condition that they will stop at nothing to hide the facts from
the public.

Award-winning writer and same-gender sex activist Randy Shilts describes the denial among men that have sex with men, about their unhealthy lifestyles causing AIDS to be epidemic among them when he writes, “…the desperation of denial: how when something is so horrible you don’t want to believe it, you want to out it out of your mind and insist it isn’t true, and how you hate the person who says it is.” (And the Band Played On, 1988, p. 182) Desperate denial –this seems to be what drives the deceit, psychological manipulation, and intimidation of both scientific groups and the public.

Here is a link to a video about same-gender sex activist, Frank Kameny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_4S_iQ3fEo

a good seed 21 Jun 09 , 13:34 PM

"to their US counterpart the Aware saga."

Credit must be given to our PM when he purported to have replied ".. what Josie and her party did (winning the Aware election) was perfectly legal or something to that effect)..".

We are happy to have our PM to stand up to those LGBTs bully boys from the States.

Let us all use the internet with sound intelligence to ferret out the pro-gay activists who are trying their best to rail-road their LGBTs group into Parliament: deny them all; people like MPs Charles Chong, Hri Kumar Nair and more. Vote them OUT OF PARLIAMENT BEFORE THEIR KIND TURN SINGAPORE INTO THEIR LITTLE AMERICA - DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF THEM. SHOW THEM THE EXIT AT GE2010/2011.

EVERY CONCERNERD PARENTS MUST STAY PRO-ACTIVE ON ALL WAVELENGTHS ALL THE TIME - English, Chinese, Malay, Indian and others; RISE UP TOGETHER WITH THE GOOD SALTS IN PARLIAMENT AND DENY THESE SOULESS INDIVIDUALS (reminds me of that character 'Cracken' in the 'pirate movie' the creature with waiving tentacles; waiting to pull evertbody it accosted into the watery depths of its souless world) FROM TURNING SINGAPORE INTO A LGBTs SOULESS SOCIETY.


YOUR FAITH WILL SAVE THE CHILDREN, OUR FUTURE LEADERS OF SINGAPORE.

a good seed - 21 Jun 09 , 12:40 PM

Bouquets for you u guys "Lee"; "Think Again" "Too Concerned to Remain Silent Anymore"; "Truth"; and many many other concerned parents and bloggers out there.

I am so heartened to know we have a big and strong voice to support our PM and his good men and women in Parliament in all things good that they do for the welfare of all Singaporeans. At times the things they do and say must seemed hurtful to us 'mere mortals' so said one of the current MP and what he said was prominently carried out in the Straits Times(ST) and ChannelNewsAsia (CNA).

This particular MP (an active lobbyists for the LGBTs) is trying to create a wedge between the Government and us citizens, hoping to divide our Government and its citizens.

The following article aptly entitled IT'S CALLED MINDSET is dedicated to each and every concerned parents who cares too much for their loved ones and the nation to allow such pro-gay activist/lobbyist to gain a foothold into Parliament:

IT'S CALLED MINDSET

"As my friend was passing the elephants, he suddenly
stopped, confused by the fact that these huge
creatures were being held by only a rope tied
to their legs. It was obvious that the elephants
could, at anytime, break away from the ropes they
were tied to but for some reason, they did not.

My friend saw a trainer nearby and asked why these
beautiful, magnificent animals just stood there and
made no attempt to get away.

"Well", the trainer said, "when they were young
and much smaller we used the same rope to tie
them and at that age, it's enough to hold them.
As they grow up, they are conditioned to believe
they cannot break away. They believe the rope
can still hold them, so they never try to break
free."

My friend was amazed. These animals could at
any time break free from their bondage but
because they believed they couldn't, they
were stuck right there they were.

The powerful and gigantic creature has

??? - 21 Jun 09 , 10:00 AM

Dear "You guys go ahead to new "site" on 21 Jun 09 , 08:39 AM

Reach only censors if you have posted comments that have been inflammatory, crude. If you have been following others in that style, then it may be removed. If you post what is relevant, there should be no reason for Reach to censor it. I am also a little puzzled with your comments.

NARROW AND WIDE - 20 Jun 09 , 19:20 PM

Okay Terminator, I found it. Yup, the 3rd page is probably what you were getting at.

http://www.todayonline.com/Columns/Maladjusted/EDC090619-0000025/Just-an-old-fashioned-family-guy

Just an old-fashioned family guy

But how can I share your family values when we’re not, like, related?
by Phin Wong
Updated 08:52 AM Jun 19, 2009

From page 3...It may just be a film or teachers’ guide today, but what happens if a vocal segment of society insists that evolution be dropped in school curriculum in favour of creationism? Or that Shakespeare be removed from classrooms because of the Bard’s penchant for cross-dressing? Surely politicking science and literature goes against some parents’ family values, too? So, who has the right of way and who has to filter out?

Back to “liberal” parents and would-be parents like Sham. Perhaps it is simply a matter of semantics. The dictionary definition of “liberal” commonly includes phrases like “free from prejudice or bigotry” and “open-minded or tolerant”. Only someone in favour of bigotry and intolerance would be opposed to that.

But, in this silly worldwide fight between “liberals” and “conservatives”, the word has taken on extra connotations of being radical or immoral (once again - immoral to whom?).

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Like "LEE"s answer to "CW" about the use of the word immoral.

LEE
19 Jun 09 , 05:20 AM

On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If sm

Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 16:57 PM

Dear "Concerned"

You are welcome!

Although homosexuals do not chose to be gay, they are also NOT born gay. There are NO respected geneticist in the world to have claimed that they have found a "gay gene".

There is really NO such a thing as a homosexual. As strange as that may sound, it's true. We are all biological heterosexuals.

Give me some more time, I will be continuing writing more from the book and on this subject, and also on the prevention of homsexuality later and then posting it.

Thanks for all your patience!

"So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act".

Terminator - 20 Jun 09 , 16:47 PM

Dear all

Thanks for continuing to write and research into the issues that are close to our heart.
I am really glad that most of us conducted ourselves in a gracious manner.

We have to show the rest that we can discuss and debate about things in a mature and dignified way.

NO need to jeer, sneer, mock or issue threats and etc not like the other group.

Actually the words civic and pluralistic have been redefined by that newspaper into " must think like them if not you are not going to be treated civicilly and will not be tolerated.

I thought these people are masters of the words and yet can't understand the real meaning of the words. It is really time for an overhaul of that newspaper. Standards of english have dropped so low!

Please read the TOday paper sat edition. An article written by Phin is quite slanted towards that side. Please comment.

Nominee Loretta Chen - 19 Jun 09 , 14:52 PM

REACH -Ensuring a Diversity of Views in Parliament

LORETTA CHEN (Arts nominee for NMP put up by Arts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen


Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006). In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.

Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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Article on V Power! By Ilsa Chan, channelnewsasia.com
Posted: 13 October 2008 2008 hrs

Touted as the year’s sexiest play to hit our shores, “The Vagina Monologues”, a powerful collection of anecdotes celebrating all things feminine, was given a fresh twist by director Loretta Chen.

Judy Ngo ranted about the injustices wrought against the vagina in “My Angry Vagina”; “The Coochie Snorcher That Could” illustrated the painful effects of sexual abuse as a child while Eleine Ng’s portrayal of the ‘moans’ women make during sex in “The Woman Who Made Vaginas Happy” was simply hilarious (my favourite was the Malay one!).

“Reclaiming Cunt” saw Asha Edmund proudly re-appropriating the derogatory term and zeroing in on audience members and getting them to yell the word “cunt”. The worried look on some of the audiences’ faces was priceless!

Rest of the article can be read online
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/reviews/view/382517/1/.html

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LEE's Latest Article-Letter To The NMP Select Committee

Hi All,

Praetorian has put LEE's complete letter on this blog. If possible, you may want to copy and do the same by sending this letter to the Select Committee through REACH:

--LEE's Letter----------

"FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:42 PM

SELECTION OF NMP’S –

“Dear Members of the Special Select Committee

-Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi (Chairman)
-Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, Minister, Prime Minister's Office, Second Minister for Finance and Second Minister for Transport
-Mr Low Thia Khiang
-Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development
-Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs
-Mr Michael Palmer; -Mr Sam Tan Chin Siong; Mrs Josephine Teo"

On the selection of NMP's, those who come into Parliament must bring added value and not be those who will most likely start lobbying for their "own" groups. Singapore is a multi racial and multi religious nation and if people like Loretta Chan are likely to be very vocal about pushing the pro gay agenda onto public space in Parliament, it is going to cause alot of problems for our society and end up polarising our nation. She has proudly and openly announced her lesbian stand and has directed films with controversial themes (please see below). Leaders in Parliament should set good examples for our younger generation.

It is bad enough that Mr. Siew Kum Hong set a very bad example when he took sides at the Aware saga. Instead of bringing calm to an explosive situation, he only added to the problems by his behaviour at the EGM. I hope the committee will review his desire to stand for a 2nd term.

Ministers and MPs need to be people of integrity and I am thankful for the PAP Government. I appeal to the committe to select NMP's who can contribute to the good of Singaporeans instead of polarising our society should they be selected.
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FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:43 PM

Contd Pg. 2 my letter on Selection of NMPs

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/BgSty_376609_1.html
ON MR SIEW KUM HONG

NMPs are like de facto politicians..not elected by the people but have the privilege to give their views in parliament. They should be responsible in their actions and speak. They should carry balanced and objective views as any issue is a double-edged sword. Rather than just shoot from-the-hip and give biased views through 'tinted lenses' like Mr Siew Kum Hong when he commented and sided on the AWARE saga. We need NMPs who come with objective positions and solutions…... So NMPs must bring added value and Not just lobby for some group. If one cannot contribute in this manner, they don't deserve to be selected to be an NMP. -- Kay Tee on Reach website

ON MS LORETTA CHEN

Loretta Chen is openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes. She's supposed to be a nominee from the arts community but is this again a back door for more pro LGBTs to represent voice in Parliament for education? I love the arts & the many artistic talents but I resent the double standards here... Christians were accused of entering "secular" space, why should gays and lesbians have free access to this so-called 'secular' space? -- isay on Reach website

http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/04/03/1817.annabel-chong-renegade-and-revolutionary-says-251-director-and-playwright?n=aut
Entertainment -3 Apr 2007 - Lesbian director Loretta Chen and gay playwright Ng Yi-Sheng want audiences to see one Singapore's most internationally known icons, porn actress Annabel Chong, in a different light. Their play 251 opens this Thursday.. Annabel Chong - who needs little introduction - became world famous in 1995 for appearing in a groundbreaking adult movie titled The World's Biggest Gangbang. The then-22-year-old, whose real name is Grace Quek, was filmed having sex 251 times with 70 men over a period of about 10 hours.
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FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:43 PM

Contd Pg. 3 my letter on Selection of NMPs

There has been so much talk about not bringing religion into the debate by the Pluralists and All Inclusive people. So many articles printed by the Straits Times on this statement. However, I wonder why double standards are allowed to be made on the word "religion". This is an example from what Alex Au said in the forum for the repeal of the gay sex law in July 2007.

:http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/2007/07/16/1899.mp-nmp-attend-forum-on-repeal-of-gay-sex-law?n=aut

Au, a founding member of gay advocacy group People Like Us and Fridae columnist said: "Taking the economic argument presents a danger, which is to buy into the whole ideology that ultimately humans are digits. I want to base an argument purely on the human rights. Gay identity is VERY FUNDAMENTAL; it is as fundamental as your ethnic identity, as your linguistic identity, AS YOUR RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. That being the case, therefore the state through its tools, law, should give equal recognition to that liberty to express your identity."
So members of the Special Select Committee, the word "religion" can mean many things to many people. It is not right nor fair for the Pluralists and LGBT's (lesbians, gays, bisexual, Transexuals) and reporters of ST to insist that those of the different faiths cannot bring their arguments based on religion when in fact, the gay identity is so fundamental - its practically a "religion" to them.
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FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
18 Jun 09 , 22:44 PM

Contd Pg. 4 my letter on Selection of NMPs

We have enjoyed much peace and harmony for so many years. If NMP's should comprise of people who will start lobbying for their own "groups" and polarise society, what the Government hopes to achieve for our nation will unravel very quickly. If these NMP's should start polarising our nation, much time and energy that should be channelled for more worthy causes will be taken up by these issues.

Thank you for your attention."

Silent Majority 18 Jun 09 , 13:40 PM

Hi All,

FYI, views of both nominees. My take is that Nominees should weigh in on issues pertaining to the Arts. At one time they were disgruntled with Govt for not giving space to the Arts scene. Fine if it’s about the Arts. I’m all for it but not if it is used as a platform by gay activists. That’s not what Arts NMPs are there for.

Substation's Ms Wong on how she intends to bridge the different voices within the arts community.

"It is also important for this person to have her own position. She has to be able to speak about things that are important to her while also listening. I think it is important to listen to the different views from the arts community. And we need to find ways to filter out the different views, and if necessary to direct people's questions to the right person."

Theater director, Loretta Chen, on the other hand, hopes to develop platforms for more open dialogues and constructive feedback.

"I think in Singapore, we either slam something or choose to not take part. Even for a child, the minute you tell them "wow you did great but you could have done it better" That means a lot and speaks volumes. Perhaps we do mean well, but sometimes we are unable to give constructive feedback to artistes, and that is important when we are able to give constructive feedback and also to be more positive in our feedback to the artistes."

Regards

FROM Colourful NMP 18 Jun 09 , 17:15 PM

Loretta Chen! Such a "colourful" character is allowed into our Parliament as a NMP!

For what good reason is there any need for such inclusion? "Diversity" of views? "Vibrancy" of delivery?

Such wonderful inclusions and beautiful descriptions are only fancy on the surface.

We sure dread the day when we go the way of one parliament in Europe when such colour was included "Cicciolina"

FROM Terminator 18 Jun 09 , 20:06 PM

Dear Silent majority, lee, JOsh roy,P and etc

Really glad to see that all of you are still contributing to this thread. I hope that someone will set up a conservative values organisation dedicated to preserving the moral values of the society. We should speak to our friends, neighbours and families (regardless of race, language and religion) about the importrance of preserving our values before our society is assimilated by the so called values from the west. Don't know why younger generation thinks the world of them. What is so good about the west? Look at their societies! They also have a lot of social problems on their hands and why should we prescribe to their way of thinking.
Eastern moral values have been around for thousands of yrs too. China and Asia are the next superpowers and the west is going to be passe. We need to arise and make our voices heard. If not we are just going to be another silent majority.

LEE's Latest Article

LEE
18 Jun 09 , 22:50 PM

Dear Friends,

I have already sent my letter about the NMP nominations directly to the Select Committee through REACH

That letter is posted on the thread "ENSURING A DIVERSITY OF VIEWS" (under "For your consideration")

http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/TalkAbuzz/YourFeedbackOurResponse/tabid/181/ctl/Details/mid/926/ItemID/107/Default.aspx

Please read it on that thread. When writing directly to the committee, please be as rational as possible and avoid copying my letter. It must be a personal email from you so that it will carry more weight. Please avoid being too emotional or paranoid about the matter - try to be as factual as possible.

Hope my example will encourage everyone who feels the same concerns esp for Singapore and our young.

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Arts Nominees For NMPs

Hi All,

Presently, I have only articles on Arts nominee Loretta Chen. This is to try to give our viewers as much of an informed view of whom our Arts nominees are and what they represent. You may want to go to the website links which I have attached to get a better understanding of the nominee and her beliefs.

Arts Nominee: Loretta Chen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen

Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006).

In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.

Loretta is currently Treasurer of the Association of Singapore Actors (ASA) and an Associate Director of Toy Factory and Action Theatre. In 2008, she was selected by the Mayor of the Northwest CDC to sit on the Arts and Culture Committee.
She is currently the Artistic Director of Zebra Crossing Productions.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/BgSty_376609_1.html

ON MS LORETTA CHAN
Loretta Chen is no different... she's openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes. She's supposed to be a nominee from the arts community but is this again a back door for more pro LGBTs to represent voice in Parliament for education? I love the arts & the many artistic talents but I resent the double standards here... Christians were accused of entering "secular" space, why should gays and lesbians have free access to this so-called 'secular' space? -- isay on Reach website
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April 23, 2009
Arts community seeks NMP

Theatre director Loretta Chen, 32, says she is willing to be a candidate By Zakir Hussain SINGAPORE'S arts community is gathering views on whom it should propose as a Nominated MP (NMP), and already a theatre director has stepped up to the plate.
She is Ms Loretta Chen, 32, who was once a member of the People's Action Party (PAP) youth wing.

She told The Straits Times yesterday: 'I've been receiving a barrage of e-mail messages and SMSes urging me to stand.

'I may not be the best person but I'm willing to learn and work hard.'

She said she left the PAP youth wing two years ago as she felt it was not the right platform for her to serve the wider community.

Other potential candidates are: artistic co-director of arts venue The Substation Audrey Wong, 40; theatre director Beatrice Chia-Richmond, 34; and jazz pianist and educator Jeremy Monteiro, 48.

Their names were suggested at a meeting of members of the arts community, held last Thursday at arts venue The White House in Emily Hill.
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http://www.asiaone.com/Just+Woman/News/Women+In+The+News/Story/A1Story20080930-90867.html

7. What made you join the Young PAP?

If you want to make a change, you have to actively make it and that means working within the political avenues.

Some people get quite disheartened, cynical and feel powerless because they keep criticising from the outside.

I say: Jump in and fight for what you believe in. Theatre is a great platform for me to be politically aware and socially involved while still being creative.

Moderator's Note: S met up with MM and asked about gay censorship. She has now left the PAP Youth Wing. Looks like much inroad was made. Since Govt opened doors for gays into civil service, the activists have well-placed people all over in Govt now.

Praetorian will try to provide further information on other nominee Audrey Wong on her views.

Regards

Ensuring A Diversity Of Views In Parliament

Hi All,

(1) Following lists of Ministers & MPs that you can contact to press your concerns about Arts nominees as NMPs who are known active activists with stated agendas which have nothing to do with the promotion of Arts in Singapore.

(2) Furthermore, I have attached the websites taken fro Lee's articles where you can write to them. Better if you write to them individually and also to the Select Group.

THE members of the Special Select Committee are:

-Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi (Chairman)
-Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, Minister, Prime Minister's Office, Second Minister for Finance
and Second Minister for Transport
-Mr Low Thia Khiang
-Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development

-Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and
Ministry of Home Affairs

-Mr Michael Palmer
-Mr Sam Tan Chin Siong
-Mrs Josephine Teo

(3) Write personal feedback to the Ministers or Ministry & MPs by addressing it to them directly and through Reach : reach@reach.gov.sg

(4) All govt emails can also be found on http://www.sgdi.gov.

(5) Continue posting our comments here and invite your friends to do so. This will show that there are many who share the same sentiments about Straits Times confusing the public with their biased coverage.

(6) Remember, dont rant and rave or get too "emotional" in your personal letter.

(7) To keep that letter from being overly lengthy, just pick out a point or two and provide or quote the articles, healdines etc and provide the links.

Unity Is Strength!!!

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