Which site?
21 Jun 09 , 08:58 AM
What new "site" are you talking about?? You mean the Reach Discussion thread on 'JOURNALIST MUST BE IMPARTIAL"?
There is nothing wrong with sharing certain truths if it is relevant. Just because they happen to be "christian" doesnt mean it cannot be shared. As long as its not causing religious hatred. Your comment is like saying only so called liberals can state their views because its "secular".
Not sure where you are coming from because your comments are rather confusing and contradictory.
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You guys go ahead to new "site", I not that capable.
21 Jun 09 , 08:39 AM
You guys go ahead to new "site", I not that capable. I tried to follow some of the postings and post some of my view points along that style, but Reach admin censored and removed them, guess they weren't good enough. It is ok, not that I am unhappy about the censorship, guess following the style of others is a repetition of sorts, that's why such comments have been removed. Best to leave it to more capable people to band together and protect our values for our future. Will support in spirit. By the way, just feel that some of those christian testimonies are more appropriate on your own christian website, which has been mentioned below, wouldn't repeat the url as it may be misunderstood as promoting that url. Thought best to write in secular way to convince people of the world then using religion to talk down to people. Oh yes, forgot to mention, very unhappy with Straits Times way of reporting recently, seems that the views and articles of one side is not reflected in equal proportions to other side.
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Sunday, June 21, 2009
NARROW AND WIDE - 21 Jun 09 , 08:06 AM
Dear "Terminator",
Exactly!! Send your posting directly to Reach because its a good reason why this thread should not be archived.
Agree with what you said:
"I wonder why the liberals in our media can mock the conservatives so openly and yet when the conservatives try to voice their concerns and opinions the government says that we need to be more tolerant. Haven't the conservatives been very tolerant? Why are the liberals getting away with all these free for all statements in the press. T
The press always features articles that are pro-liberals and hardly articles that promote the conservatives. "
Exactly!! Send your posting directly to Reach because its a good reason why this thread should not be archived.
Agree with what you said:
"I wonder why the liberals in our media can mock the conservatives so openly and yet when the conservatives try to voice their concerns and opinions the government says that we need to be more tolerant. Haven't the conservatives been very tolerant? Why are the liberals getting away with all these free for all statements in the press. T
The press always features articles that are pro-liberals and hardly articles that promote the conservatives. "
NARROW AND WIDE - 20 Jun 09 , 19:20 PM
Okay Terminator, I found it. Yup, the 3rd page is probably what you were getting at.
http://www.todayonline.com/Columns/Maladjusted/EDC090619-0000025/Just-an-old-fashioned-family-guy
Just an old-fashioned family guy
But how can I share your family values when we’re not, like, related?
by Phin Wong
Updated 08:52 AM Jun 19, 2009
From page 3...It may just be a film or teachers’ guide today, but what happens if a vocal segment of society insists that evolution be dropped in school curriculum in favour of creationism? Or that Shakespeare be removed from classrooms because of the Bard’s penchant for cross-dressing? Surely politicking science and literature goes against some parents’ family values, too? So, who has the right of way and who has to filter out?
Back to “liberal” parents and would-be parents like Sham. Perhaps it is simply a matter of semantics. The dictionary definition of “liberal” commonly includes phrases like “free from prejudice or bigotry” and “open-minded or tolerant”. Only someone in favour of bigotry and intolerance would be opposed to that.
But, in this silly worldwide fight between “liberals” and “conservatives”, the word has taken on extra connotations of being radical or immoral (once again - immoral to whom?).
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Like "LEE"s answer to "CW" about the use of the word immoral.
LEE
19 Jun 09 , 05:20 AM
On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If sm
http://www.todayonline.com/Columns/Maladjusted/EDC090619-0000025/Just-an-old-fashioned-family-guy
Just an old-fashioned family guy
But how can I share your family values when we’re not, like, related?
by Phin Wong
Updated 08:52 AM Jun 19, 2009
From page 3...It may just be a film or teachers’ guide today, but what happens if a vocal segment of society insists that evolution be dropped in school curriculum in favour of creationism? Or that Shakespeare be removed from classrooms because of the Bard’s penchant for cross-dressing? Surely politicking science and literature goes against some parents’ family values, too? So, who has the right of way and who has to filter out?
Back to “liberal” parents and would-be parents like Sham. Perhaps it is simply a matter of semantics. The dictionary definition of “liberal” commonly includes phrases like “free from prejudice or bigotry” and “open-minded or tolerant”. Only someone in favour of bigotry and intolerance would be opposed to that.
But, in this silly worldwide fight between “liberals” and “conservatives”, the word has taken on extra connotations of being radical or immoral (once again - immoral to whom?).
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Like "LEE"s answer to "CW" about the use of the word immoral.
LEE
19 Jun 09 , 05:20 AM
On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If sm
Terminator - 20 Jun 09 , 23:27 PM
Dear all
The article is found in Fri edition not sat. Title: Just an old-fashioned family guy. Can find this online too on Today website.
I wonder why the liberals in our media can mock the conservatives so openly and yet when the conservatives try to voice their concerns and opinions the government says that we need to be more tolerant. Haven't the conservatives been very tolerant? Why are the liberals getting away with all these free for all statements in the press.
The press always features articles that are pro-liberals and hardly articles that promote the conservatives. They always say such a such a country or countries are already doing it. There are also countries that aren't doing it and yet they never write about it. For e.g they will say homosexuality is allowed or practised in such countries. However, there are many countries that do not allow the practice of homosexuality especially in Muslim countries.
The article is found in Fri edition not sat. Title: Just an old-fashioned family guy. Can find this online too on Today website.
I wonder why the liberals in our media can mock the conservatives so openly and yet when the conservatives try to voice their concerns and opinions the government says that we need to be more tolerant. Haven't the conservatives been very tolerant? Why are the liberals getting away with all these free for all statements in the press.
The press always features articles that are pro-liberals and hardly articles that promote the conservatives. They always say such a such a country or countries are already doing it. There are also countries that aren't doing it and yet they never write about it. For e.g they will say homosexuality is allowed or practised in such countries. However, there are many countries that do not allow the practice of homosexuality especially in Muslim countries.
NARROW AND WIDE - 20 Jun 09 , 19:08 PM
Hi "Terminator",
Could you post the online link and title of article by Phin that you mentioned?
These days the reporters are from that generation when its cool to be neutral and "broad". Thats the direction the world is taking. Remember we can choose. Glad to know majority here are taking the one that leads to life.
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Could you post the online link and title of article by Phin that you mentioned?
These days the reporters are from that generation when its cool to be neutral and "broad". Thats the direction the world is taking. Remember we can choose. Glad to know majority here are taking the one that leads to life.
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 16:57 PM
Dear "Concerned"
You are welcome!
Although homosexuals do not chose to be gay, they are also NOT born gay. There are NO respected geneticist in the world to have claimed that they have found a "gay gene".
There is really NO such a thing as a homosexual. As strange as that may sound, it's true. We are all biological heterosexuals.
Give me some more time, I will be continuing writing more from the book and on this subject, and also on the prevention of homsexuality later and then posting it.
Thanks for all your patience!
"So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act".
You are welcome!
Although homosexuals do not chose to be gay, they are also NOT born gay. There are NO respected geneticist in the world to have claimed that they have found a "gay gene".
There is really NO such a thing as a homosexual. As strange as that may sound, it's true. We are all biological heterosexuals.
Give me some more time, I will be continuing writing more from the book and on this subject, and also on the prevention of homsexuality later and then posting it.
Thanks for all your patience!
"So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act".
Terminator - 20 Jun 09 , 16:47 PM
Dear all
Thanks for continuing to write and research into the issues that are close to our heart.
I am really glad that most of us conducted ourselves in a gracious manner.
We have to show the rest that we can discuss and debate about things in a mature and dignified way.
NO need to jeer, sneer, mock or issue threats and etc not like the other group.
Actually the words civic and pluralistic have been redefined by that newspaper into " must think like them if not you are not going to be treated civicilly and will not be tolerated.
I thought these people are masters of the words and yet can't understand the real meaning of the words. It is really time for an overhaul of that newspaper. Standards of english have dropped so low!
Please read the TOday paper sat edition. An article written by Phin is quite slanted towards that side. Please comment.
Thanks for continuing to write and research into the issues that are close to our heart.
I am really glad that most of us conducted ourselves in a gracious manner.
We have to show the rest that we can discuss and debate about things in a mature and dignified way.
NO need to jeer, sneer, mock or issue threats and etc not like the other group.
Actually the words civic and pluralistic have been redefined by that newspaper into " must think like them if not you are not going to be treated civicilly and will not be tolerated.
I thought these people are masters of the words and yet can't understand the real meaning of the words. It is really time for an overhaul of that newspaper. Standards of english have dropped so low!
Please read the TOday paper sat edition. An article written by Phin is quite slanted towards that side. Please comment.
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 16:33 PM
Dear P,
I would like to thank you for your expertise, your time and your efforts in setting up the citizenwatch88 blog site, a "home" for all of us here to migrate to.
Thank you and appreciate!!!
I would like to thank you for your expertise, your time and your efforts in setting up the citizenwatch88 blog site, a "home" for all of us here to migrate to.
Thank you and appreciate!!!
concerned - 20 Jun 09 , 16:29 PM
Dear CW, must say that I do appreciate your postings and wish that there are more like you...we can agree to disagree and in doing so, helping each other to increase our own understanding of perspectives and views.
Dear "Too concerned to remain silent anymore" - appreciate your postings concerning choice of being gay. Clarified my own misconception that they choose to be...lack of sensitivity on my part...need to do more homework.
To LEE, P and others - Wow! About blog, alternative email and all. Thankful for all of you. Still collating and forwarding your helpful inputs. It's not about just starting well, but continuing to act on our convictions and finishing well. Thanks for setting the example and pace.
Dear "Too concerned to remain silent anymore" - appreciate your postings concerning choice of being gay. Clarified my own misconception that they choose to be...lack of sensitivity on my part...need to do more homework.
To LEE, P and others - Wow! About blog, alternative email and all. Thankful for all of you. Still collating and forwarding your helpful inputs. It's not about just starting well, but continuing to act on our convictions and finishing well. Thanks for setting the example and pace.
LEE 20 Jun 09 , 16:00 PM
Hi friends,
We are not alone in this issue on the lack of objectivity in media coverage. Read the articles posted on this website called "Journalism.sg"
http://journalism.sg/2009/05/17/straits-times-aware/
We are not alone in this issue on the lack of objectivity in media coverage. Read the articles posted on this website called "Journalism.sg"
http://journalism.sg/2009/05/17/straits-times-aware/
Saturday, June 20, 2009
Tread wisely - 20 Jun 09 , 11:12 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Dear "All",
If we are hoping for this thread to remain active, I think its important we minimise calls to lobby against other groups.
This space must continue to be open to everyone, all views for and against the issues concerned. This is a Government portal and we must respect that.
We can continue to post our "homework" and articles on this thread. All the information has been very helpful and we really appreciate the hard work put in by everybody. We can give information on how and where to write to the Government about what is close to our hearts.
However, calls for lobbying against activist with opposing views can be done on the new "home" set up by "P" rather than here. Tread wisely.
A new "home" has been set up through "P"
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
you can send emails to
Email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
(see Silent Majority, "P" and other postings here on this new "home").
Dear "All",
If we are hoping for this thread to remain active, I think its important we minimise calls to lobby against other groups.
This space must continue to be open to everyone, all views for and against the issues concerned. This is a Government portal and we must respect that.
We can continue to post our "homework" and articles on this thread. All the information has been very helpful and we really appreciate the hard work put in by everybody. We can give information on how and where to write to the Government about what is close to our hearts.
However, calls for lobbying against activist with opposing views can be done on the new "home" set up by "P" rather than here. Tread wisely.
A new "home" has been set up through "P"
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
you can send emails to
Email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
(see Silent Majority, "P" and other postings here on this new "home").
Silent Majority - 20 Jun 09 , 10:25 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Too true, LEE,
Let me remind all concerned that the NMP issue is VERY relevant to our 'concerns on sexuality issues" & alternative lifestyles being imposed by the activists and their fundies.
ST and other media will not publish our comments.
You get a nominee Loretta Chen in, who has stated her stance, then, we are in trouble.
She even went so far as to join the PAP Youth wing to connect and lay the foundation, with those in power or our future leaders.
BE INFORMED! BE NOISY! STAY ON COURSE & UNITED!
Regards
Too true, LEE,
Let me remind all concerned that the NMP issue is VERY relevant to our 'concerns on sexuality issues" & alternative lifestyles being imposed by the activists and their fundies.
ST and other media will not publish our comments.
You get a nominee Loretta Chen in, who has stated her stance, then, we are in trouble.
She even went so far as to join the PAP Youth wing to connect and lay the foundation, with those in power or our future leaders.
BE INFORMED! BE NOISY! STAY ON COURSE & UNITED!
Regards
LEE - 20 Jun 09 , 10:17 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Many of our "participants" may be away because its the school holidays. Thats why I was concerned they may not return in time to catch the new postings. If only Reach would take this into consideration before archiving thread so soon.
There is still so much active contributions on this thread and I hope they will reconsider.
(See my appeal letter and follow suit)
Many of our "participants" may be away because its the school holidays. Thats why I was concerned they may not return in time to catch the new postings. If only Reach would take this into consideration before archiving thread so soon.
There is still so much active contributions on this thread and I hope they will reconsider.
(See my appeal letter and follow suit)
LEE - 20 Jun 09 , 10:13 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Dear "Too Concerned to Remain Silent"
Thank you for taking the time to share the important information from Mike Haley's book with us on this thread.
May I suggest :
1) Share your information on the Sexuality Programme thread as well
2) Is Mike Haley's book available in our local bookstores? It should be sent to MOE, MM, PM and The Cabinet. We should also buy a copy for reference.
Information on The Cabinet appointments are can be read on
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/AboutTheCabinet/index.htm
3)Important to send your feedback here to "The Cabinet" through Reach and other ministers and MPs.
Also please read my appeal letter to Ms Khor to keep this thread and the one of Sexuality Programme alive. Hope you will write in as well.
Thanks
Dear "Too Concerned to Remain Silent"
Thank you for taking the time to share the important information from Mike Haley's book with us on this thread.
May I suggest :
1) Share your information on the Sexuality Programme thread as well
2) Is Mike Haley's book available in our local bookstores? It should be sent to MOE, MM, PM and The Cabinet. We should also buy a copy for reference.
Information on The Cabinet appointments are can be read on
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/AboutTheCabinet/index.htm
3)Important to send your feedback here to "The Cabinet" through Reach and other ministers and MPs.
Also please read my appeal letter to Ms Khor to keep this thread and the one of Sexuality Programme alive. Hope you will write in as well.
Thanks
Silent Majority - 20 Jun 09 , 10:08 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Dear All,
Before the thread is taken down, know 5 things:-
1) We have our own Blog at website by "P" at
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
You can put in your comments regarding each article.
You may want to scroll down this thread to:
“P” dated 19 Jun 09 , 11:42 AM
REVISED STEPS to put in your comments after anArticle in the blog.
2) You can send any material to "P" at email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
for "P" to put up on the website for all to see. Try to use a new email to maintain security for now as we may have a wolf in sheep's clothing, as we do not know each other physically. You may want to scroll down this thread to retrieve “P” dated 19 Jun 09, 12:17 PM
3) Write to all the Ministers & MPs on :
a) the Arts NMP nominees (Very important so keep it a Priority)
b) the ST media coverage biasedness
c) the new CSE discoveries by "Concerned to be...." regarding SPPA
4) Can all of you spread the word and keep alive our new "Blog" by "P".
We need this space to stay together & united as we are in for the long haul as some of
you already mentioned earlier .
Only saw LEE & Josh Roy acknowledged the Blog, how about the rest of you?
5) We need to have a "lobby" group - but, we have to help ourselves by finding the people who can start one physically. To fight these activists we have to
be in the open to be heard by Govt & public to be "relevant"
Good example is ST, as long as our views are kept back, we are limited to only REACH and other websites.
So, spread the word & keep looking for people who have the time to lead us as resources can be contributed by others. Once we have a leader, others such as us will
follow in support.
Regards
Dear All,
Before the thread is taken down, know 5 things:-
1) We have our own Blog at website by "P" at
http://citizenswatch88.blogspot.com/
You can put in your comments regarding each article.
You may want to scroll down this thread to:
“P” dated 19 Jun 09 , 11:42 AM
REVISED STEPS to put in your comments after anArticle in the blog.
2) You can send any material to "P" at email : citizens_watch88@yahoo.com.sg
for "P" to put up on the website for all to see. Try to use a new email to maintain security for now as we may have a wolf in sheep's clothing, as we do not know each other physically. You may want to scroll down this thread to retrieve “P” dated 19 Jun 09, 12:17 PM
3) Write to all the Ministers & MPs on :
a) the Arts NMP nominees (Very important so keep it a Priority)
b) the ST media coverage biasedness
c) the new CSE discoveries by "Concerned to be...." regarding SPPA
4) Can all of you spread the word and keep alive our new "Blog" by "P".
We need this space to stay together & united as we are in for the long haul as some of
you already mentioned earlier .
Only saw LEE & Josh Roy acknowledged the Blog, how about the rest of you?
5) We need to have a "lobby" group - but, we have to help ourselves by finding the people who can start one physically. To fight these activists we have to
be in the open to be heard by Govt & public to be "relevant"
Good example is ST, as long as our views are kept back, we are limited to only REACH and other websites.
So, spread the word & keep looking for people who have the time to lead us as resources can be contributed by others. Once we have a leader, others such as us will
follow in support.
Regards
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 02:56 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Hi [Details Removed],
Thanks for returning and opening up more cans of worms into this "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
(http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm) and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of the problem is!"
Hmmmm... I have already written to REACH on our Concerned Parents and citizens's Objection to SPPA (Singapore Planned Parenthood Association) as external vendor for anymore CSE programmes. And REACH have sent my letter to MOE and I have already received a reply from MOE that they will send my letter and our concerns to the CSE Committee. I hope that they (MOE) will SERIOUSLY consider our concerns and objection to SPPA.
AWARE has taught CSE in schools for over 2 years, but SPPA has taught much longer than that! It's no wonder that our kids are getting from bad to worse in school and so are the moral values!
These people must be STOPPED!
Please ALL of you Parents, BE VIGILANT, WAKE-UP and BE PRO-ACIVE and FIGHT FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH, SOUNDNESS, SAFETY AND LIFE!
Hi [Details Removed],
Thanks for returning and opening up more cans of worms into this "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
(http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm) and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of the problem is!"
Hmmmm... I have already written to REACH on our Concerned Parents and citizens's Objection to SPPA (Singapore Planned Parenthood Association) as external vendor for anymore CSE programmes. And REACH have sent my letter to MOE and I have already received a reply from MOE that they will send my letter and our concerns to the CSE Committee. I hope that they (MOE) will SERIOUSLY consider our concerns and objection to SPPA.
AWARE has taught CSE in schools for over 2 years, but SPPA has taught much longer than that! It's no wonder that our kids are getting from bad to worse in school and so are the moral values!
These people must be STOPPED!
Please ALL of you Parents, BE VIGILANT, WAKE-UP and BE PRO-ACIVE and FIGHT FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH, SOUNDNESS, SAFETY AND LIFE!
[Details removed] - 20 Jun 09 , 02:21 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
How unfortunate REACH is going to shut down this thread. But before we go, Mr Han of ST responded and from what he wrote, ST is unlikely to make any further statements on this and would let the issue die a natural death.
Nonetheless, I have appealed again to Mr Han and Mr Alan Chan (SPH's CEO) asking them to reconsider their decision to stay silent because it will not benefit ST in the long-run and I directed them to this site. I have also copied Dr Amy Khor (REACH Chairman) in my letter, to ensure that she will not overlook our efforts here and will collate our views and feed them back to the Singapore Government.
Here is something else I discovered about CSE.
Do a google search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" and you will find that the CSE program is global and it is may be championed by SIECUS.
Do a search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of
the problem is!
Given the 'global support' of CSE, we can now understand why AWARE is keen on bidding their time to reintroduce it later! AWARE fails to realize that what is "acceptable" to the USA culture (ie. if they are acceptable because many Americans are objecting to CSE programs as well) does not readily apply to the Singapore or Asian culture!
So [concerned] and [Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore!], there is a lot more vigilance needed on your part!
All the best everyone! We are in this for the long haul!!
How unfortunate REACH is going to shut down this thread. But before we go, Mr Han of ST responded and from what he wrote, ST is unlikely to make any further statements on this and would let the issue die a natural death.
Nonetheless, I have appealed again to Mr Han and Mr Alan Chan (SPH's CEO) asking them to reconsider their decision to stay silent because it will not benefit ST in the long-run and I directed them to this site. I have also copied Dr Amy Khor (REACH Chairman) in my letter, to ensure that she will not overlook our efforts here and will collate our views and feed them back to the Singapore Government.
Here is something else I discovered about CSE.
Do a google search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" and you will find that the CSE program is global and it is may be championed by SIECUS.
Do a search on "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" + "anti-family" or "anti-life" and a lot more information surfaces.
Lifesitenews summarises: "Comprehensive sexuality education" is a term used by anti-family groups to denote programs that present a morally neutral, purely physical approach to sex education that instructs teens and even children in the use of artificial birth control and abortion, and presents unnatural sexual practices as normal and acceptable."
Diane Dew provides the background and vision of SIECUS
http://www.dianedew.com/siecus.htm and the founder of SIECUS also came out from Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Ah well, we know where the root of
the problem is!
Given the 'global support' of CSE, we can now understand why AWARE is keen on bidding their time to reintroduce it later! AWARE fails to realize that what is "acceptable" to the USA culture (ie. if they are acceptable because many Americans are objecting to CSE programs as well) does not readily apply to the Singapore or Asian culture!
So [concerned] and [Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore!], there is a lot more vigilance needed on your part!
All the best everyone! We are in this for the long haul!!
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 02:20 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
(Page 1)
1. WHAT IS HOMOSEXUALITY?
Most people assume homosexuality to be little more than a sexual act between two individuals of the same gender. This is far too simplistic a view of this multi-faceted topic. Anyone interested in this subject must take four areas into account: physiological psychic response, identity, behavior, and lifestyle options.
Learned Responses
God created each of us as a complex creature. We have needs that must be met in order for us to grow and mature. When these needs are not met, we establish immature coping mechanisms that often work directly against God’s original intent for us. Frank Worthen, the founder of Exodus International, explains this phenomenon this way:
Psychic response is a technical term for what many people refer to as a homosexual orientation”. Though many people claim that they have experienced visual or sexual attraction for the same sex “as long as they can remember, there is a progression in a person’s life that leads to a homosexual psychic response. A child may start out with a need to compare himself with others to see if he measures up to societal standards. When he feels he doesn’t compare favorably with others, he develops admiration for those traits and physical characteristics he feels he does not possess.
Admiration, which is normal, may turn to envy. Envy leads to the desire to possess others and finally, to consume others. This strong desire becomes eroticized somewhere along the way, eventually leading to homosexual psychic response (also known as sexual thought life or fantasy).
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Behavior
When these psychic responses take root, some people carry out these fantasies first through masturbation and later in actual sexual behavior with another male or female. But the physical act itself does not indicate a homosexual orientation. Many young boys who engage in homosexual behavior later end up with no vestiges of homosexuality.
Identity
The problem in today’s social climate is that more and more individuals are taking on a gay identity simply because they need to find their place. Many who would rarely have experienced a struggle with homosexuality find themselves comfortable in this identity because of society’s “anything goes” mentality.
Other people embrace a gay identity after years of physiological psychic response. Their behaviors create an identity in which they take comfort or even pride.
Lifestyle
Homosexuality includes varying lifestyles. Some gays only engage in anonymous and relatively rare sexual encounters and tend to live in constant fear of being found out. Others “come out” and become active, politically motivated members of the gay community and associate only with those favorable to like causes.
As you can see, homosexuality is multi-dimensional, and individuals can land anywhere on the spectrum of these four basic components. What does this information mean for you? Don’t just take a friend or loved one’s confession or proclamation of homosexuality as evidence that he or she is engaging in same sex sexual behavior. Talk to him or her to develop a deeper understanding of what the admission means.
2. DO HOMOSEXUALS CHOOSE TO BE GAY?
Let me answer this one directly: NO! And in case you didn’t hear me, let me speak up:
NO!
This continues to be one of the myths of homosexuality that uninformed people perpetuate. Christians or conservatives may say to a homosexual, “I have a heart for those in your community, and I love you.” And then as if to drive a splinter under the fingernail of the hand they’ve just reached out to hold, they add: “But you and your friends have to realize that homosexuality was your choice”.
Ouch.
I can tell you from personal experience that virtually NO one chooses homosexuality and the resulting pain and rejection that come with it. No child or adolescent approaches the smorgasbord of sexual orientation and says, “Hmm… I think I’ll take that one”. One the contrary, most homosexuals try to deny the existence of their same sex attractions, to pray it away, or to repress it until they become so discourage by their inability to master the desires that they “come out”. Attributing this struggle to the willing choice of any individual not only conveys a lack of understanding but also adds to the tremendous shame seared into many homosexuals’ hearts.
So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act.
One last important note on this subject: As harmful as the “you choose to be gay” argument, is another oft-repeated phrase, all too frequently seen on the signs of conservative protesters at gay events “God didn’t create Adam and Steve, He create Adam and Eve”. Anyone who thinks this is cute or helpful couldn’t be more wrong. Flippant expressions like this make whoever’s saying them look foolish, and their underlying malice directly contradicts Scripture.
Agrees with LEE: "When I say that its a lie that homosexuals are incapable of changing, I am talking about those who want to change but are told that they cant and simply have to live with it. For those who do not wish to change, that is their choice.
I have used the word "lie" because no one has a right to stop another individual from wanting to change if that individual DESIRES to do so. The individual needs to know that help is there should he desire it.
On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If smokers push for more space to smoke freely in public space, we would also say no and no amount of discussion would make us change our minds".
Thank you LEE for this.
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1. WHAT IS HOMOSEXUALITY?
Most people assume homosexuality to be little more than a sexual act between two individuals of the same gender. This is far too simplistic a view of this multi-faceted topic. Anyone interested in this subject must take four areas into account: physiological psychic response, identity, behavior, and lifestyle options.
Learned Responses
God created each of us as a complex creature. We have needs that must be met in order for us to grow and mature. When these needs are not met, we establish immature coping mechanisms that often work directly against God’s original intent for us. Frank Worthen, the founder of Exodus International, explains this phenomenon this way:
Psychic response is a technical term for what many people refer to as a homosexual orientation”. Though many people claim that they have experienced visual or sexual attraction for the same sex “as long as they can remember, there is a progression in a person’s life that leads to a homosexual psychic response. A child may start out with a need to compare himself with others to see if he measures up to societal standards. When he feels he doesn’t compare favorably with others, he develops admiration for those traits and physical characteristics he feels he does not possess.
Admiration, which is normal, may turn to envy. Envy leads to the desire to possess others and finally, to consume others. This strong desire becomes eroticized somewhere along the way, eventually leading to homosexual psychic response (also known as sexual thought life or fantasy).
(Page 2)
Behavior
When these psychic responses take root, some people carry out these fantasies first through masturbation and later in actual sexual behavior with another male or female. But the physical act itself does not indicate a homosexual orientation. Many young boys who engage in homosexual behavior later end up with no vestiges of homosexuality.
Identity
The problem in today’s social climate is that more and more individuals are taking on a gay identity simply because they need to find their place. Many who would rarely have experienced a struggle with homosexuality find themselves comfortable in this identity because of society’s “anything goes” mentality.
Other people embrace a gay identity after years of physiological psychic response. Their behaviors create an identity in which they take comfort or even pride.
Lifestyle
Homosexuality includes varying lifestyles. Some gays only engage in anonymous and relatively rare sexual encounters and tend to live in constant fear of being found out. Others “come out” and become active, politically motivated members of the gay community and associate only with those favorable to like causes.
As you can see, homosexuality is multi-dimensional, and individuals can land anywhere on the spectrum of these four basic components. What does this information mean for you? Don’t just take a friend or loved one’s confession or proclamation of homosexuality as evidence that he or she is engaging in same sex sexual behavior. Talk to him or her to develop a deeper understanding of what the admission means.
2. DO HOMOSEXUALS CHOOSE TO BE GAY?
Let me answer this one directly: NO! And in case you didn’t hear me, let me speak up:
NO!
This continues to be one of the myths of homosexuality that uninformed people perpetuate. Christians or conservatives may say to a homosexual, “I have a heart for those in your community, and I love you.” And then as if to drive a splinter under the fingernail of the hand they’ve just reached out to hold, they add: “But you and your friends have to realize that homosexuality was your choice”.
Ouch.
I can tell you from personal experience that virtually NO one chooses homosexuality and the resulting pain and rejection that come with it. No child or adolescent approaches the smorgasbord of sexual orientation and says, “Hmm… I think I’ll take that one”. One the contrary, most homosexuals try to deny the existence of their same sex attractions, to pray it away, or to repress it until they become so discourage by their inability to master the desires that they “come out”. Attributing this struggle to the willing choice of any individual not only conveys a lack of understanding but also adds to the tremendous shame seared into many homosexuals’ hearts.
So let me say clearly again: NO one chooses to feel attracted to someone of the same sex. However, men and women DO choose how they will act on those feelings. When the pain of this struggle captivates the heart, some people believe their only option is a homosexual identity and lifestyle. That’s where CHOICE comes into play: actively participating in a homosexual act.
One last important note on this subject: As harmful as the “you choose to be gay” argument, is another oft-repeated phrase, all too frequently seen on the signs of conservative protesters at gay events “God didn’t create Adam and Steve, He create Adam and Eve”. Anyone who thinks this is cute or helpful couldn’t be more wrong. Flippant expressions like this make whoever’s saying them look foolish, and their underlying malice directly contradicts Scripture.
Agrees with LEE: "When I say that its a lie that homosexuals are incapable of changing, I am talking about those who want to change but are told that they cant and simply have to live with it. For those who do not wish to change, that is their choice.
I have used the word "lie" because no one has a right to stop another individual from wanting to change if that individual DESIRES to do so. The individual needs to know that help is there should he desire it.
On the issue of IMMORALITY
As much as I wish we didnt have to use that term, I am afraid this is where we will have to disagree. Homosexuality involves constant acts of anal sex. This is something that is not natural nor healthy. As such I am sorry that these acts will continue to be an issue of immorality for many of us. But remember my earlier post that we are not into gay bashing. As mentioned in my earlier reply to you, many of us interact and get along with our gay friends even though we disagree on certain acts. Asking us to say its not immoral is like asking us to say smoking is healthy. If smokers push for more space to smoke freely in public space, we would also say no and no amount of discussion would make us change our minds".
Thank you LEE for this.
Too Concerned to Remain Silent anymore! 20 Jun 09 , 02:18 AM
REACH - OBJECTIVITY IN MEDIA REPORTING
Hi CW,
Although LEE has managed to reply you extremely well, I would like to further add to LEE and Josh Roy on your post on Homosexuality: "However, the stand taken by many forum commentators here becomes grey during the course of discussion. For example, the pressing need to research and identify anyone who is homosexual or the suggestion it is a lie if a homosexual individual can’t change. It further impacted with suggestions that homosexuals arise from broken families. This tends to affect the sincerity of your initial support statements.
We have to be fair in acknowledging potentially different scenarios when debating the cause of homosexuality and whether it is immoral. There can be many reasons why. It could be nature, nurture, psychological reactions or disease. There needs to be more research (ones that are not tainted by either pro-homosexual or anti-homosexual groups) so as to give a better understanding on the matter."
I will be extracting the followings from MIKE HALEY’S book, "101 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY". Bear with me, as I am still typing more on Microsoft words so that I can copy and paste more from the book tomorrow before this thread is archived. This is a good book. I hope you would buy and read.
For 12 years, the author, Mike Haley, lived as an active homosexual. He wrote: "I know the subculture. I've felt what homosexuals feel - the hurt, rejection, anger, broken relationships, and the intense desire to be loved for whom they are. I also know their friends and loved ones feel when someone close to them "comes out" about their homosexuality. I know how the church often seems like the last place to go for help. And I know how families suffer and pray through the pain - as my own dear family did."
Later I will reveal more in depth of Mike Haley's and how he became a homosexual, what saved and totally changed him, and he and his wife are proud parents of two sons.
Hi CW,
Although LEE has managed to reply you extremely well, I would like to further add to LEE and Josh Roy on your post on Homosexuality: "However, the stand taken by many forum commentators here becomes grey during the course of discussion. For example, the pressing need to research and identify anyone who is homosexual or the suggestion it is a lie if a homosexual individual can’t change. It further impacted with suggestions that homosexuals arise from broken families. This tends to affect the sincerity of your initial support statements.
We have to be fair in acknowledging potentially different scenarios when debating the cause of homosexuality and whether it is immoral. There can be many reasons why. It could be nature, nurture, psychological reactions or disease. There needs to be more research (ones that are not tainted by either pro-homosexual or anti-homosexual groups) so as to give a better understanding on the matter."
I will be extracting the followings from MIKE HALEY’S book, "101 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY". Bear with me, as I am still typing more on Microsoft words so that I can copy and paste more from the book tomorrow before this thread is archived. This is a good book. I hope you would buy and read.
For 12 years, the author, Mike Haley, lived as an active homosexual. He wrote: "I know the subculture. I've felt what homosexuals feel - the hurt, rejection, anger, broken relationships, and the intense desire to be loved for whom they are. I also know their friends and loved ones feel when someone close to them "comes out" about their homosexuality. I know how the church often seems like the last place to go for help. And I know how families suffer and pray through the pain - as my own dear family did."
Later I will reveal more in depth of Mike Haley's and how he became a homosexual, what saved and totally changed him, and he and his wife are proud parents of two sons.
Nominee Loretta Chen - 19 Jun 09 , 14:52 PM
REACH -Ensuring a Diversity of Views in Parliament
LORETTA CHEN (Arts nominee for NMP put up by Arts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen
Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006). In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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Article on V Power! By Ilsa Chan, channelnewsasia.com
Posted: 13 October 2008 2008 hrs
Touted as the year’s sexiest play to hit our shores, “The Vagina Monologues”, a powerful collection of anecdotes celebrating all things feminine, was given a fresh twist by director Loretta Chen.
Judy Ngo ranted about the injustices wrought against the vagina in “My Angry Vagina”; “The Coochie Snorcher That Could” illustrated the painful effects of sexual abuse as a child while Eleine Ng’s portrayal of the ‘moans’ women make during sex in “The Woman Who Made Vaginas Happy” was simply hilarious (my favourite was the Malay one!).
“Reclaiming Cunt” saw Asha Edmund proudly re-appropriating the derogatory term and zeroing in on audience members and getting them to yell the word “cunt”. The worried look on some of the audiences’ faces was priceless!
Rest of the article can be read online
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/reviews/view/382517/1/.html
LORETTA CHEN (Arts nominee for NMP put up by Arts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Chen
Loretta Chen is a bilingual theatre director, actor and host. Some of her directorial projects include 13 Shaolin, a Singapore-China collaboration, 24 Pieties for Toy Factory Theatre Ensemble, Ten Brothers (2005), The Vagina Monologues (2006), The Swimming Instructor (2006). In 2007, her controversial project 251, based on the story of Singaporean porn-star Annabel Chong was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards. She also directed the Postcards from Rosa, a monologue starring veteran actor Neo Swee Lin. In 2008, she directed Magicbox (2008), a magical extravaganza in collaboration with the creators of Mindfreak and a re-staging of The Vagina Monologues which was nominated for two Life! Theatre Awards.
Loretta is openly lesbian.[1]
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Article on V Power! By Ilsa Chan, channelnewsasia.com
Posted: 13 October 2008 2008 hrs
Touted as the year’s sexiest play to hit our shores, “The Vagina Monologues”, a powerful collection of anecdotes celebrating all things feminine, was given a fresh twist by director Loretta Chen.
Judy Ngo ranted about the injustices wrought against the vagina in “My Angry Vagina”; “The Coochie Snorcher That Could” illustrated the painful effects of sexual abuse as a child while Eleine Ng’s portrayal of the ‘moans’ women make during sex in “The Woman Who Made Vaginas Happy” was simply hilarious (my favourite was the Malay one!).
“Reclaiming Cunt” saw Asha Edmund proudly re-appropriating the derogatory term and zeroing in on audience members and getting them to yell the word “cunt”. The worried look on some of the audiences’ faces was priceless!
Rest of the article can be read online
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/reviews/view/382517/1/.html
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